Why we'll never get a good transformers movie

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by NathimusPrime, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. Mister Gone

    Mister Gone Macro-Con

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    I understood every word you said. If you were doing Bane correctly you would have it in bold pink and slur every few words.
     
  2. tekering

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    This has been my first foray into the Movie Discussion forum, and I'm glad to see there are a few intelligent and eloquent fans here. Given some of the bile the rest of you are spitting up, the contrast is refreshing. ;) 

    Every Transformers movie has been awesome, but none of them are good movies.
    Try not to confuse your adjectives.

    I think Spielberg made the right decision, hiring Michael Day to do Transformers. He's the perfect director if "awesome" is your goal, and I can't imagine a more intelligent filmmaker (like the aforementioned Christopher Nolan) taking the material seriously anyway.

    Kudos to you for recognizing (and illustrating) that potential.

    What I'd really like to see (but realize is impossible) is a sophisticated, thought-provoking sci-fi war story depicted with Flory Dery's G1 animation models.
    IDW has published some excellent stories within the G1 universe, but the best scripts generally get the worst art (and vice-versa)...

    Yeah, James Roberts could probably write a terrific Transformers movie.

    It's rare to find a talented storyteller with any interest in pop mythology like Transformers; it's even rarer to find studios and corporations to allow them such creative freedom with their franchise.

    Of course, you can afford to take a lot more risks with a comic book than a hundred-million-dollar film!

    If a Transformers fan with the talent and resources of, say, Peter Jackson (LOTR), Josh Whedon (Avengers) or Ronald D. Moore (reimagined BSG) ever appears, that potential might actually be explored...

    Thankfully, I think you're right, and (as one of the reasonable ones) I welcome your contributions. :thumb 

    Unfortunately, it seems we're in the minority:

    "You're right, there's no way Batman would've survived his fight with Superman... or let a chick be Robin. Still, the art was incredible." :p 

    You should try not to make such errors when criticizing those of others.

    Is this a typo, or some street lingo I'm unfamiliar with?
     
  3. ILoveDinobot

    ILoveDinobot You can, you up. No can, no BB.

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    i thought the 1986 one was great, you damn haters.
     
  4. Dansproject

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    Another reason why there will never be a "good" Transformers film is that all eras of fans think that "their" era is the only correct one. How many Beast Wars fans couldn't care for G1, likewise Armada for Prime? It's just about as bad as fragmented religions, all worshipping the same thing but going about it in different ways.
    The only Transformers film my wife asked to see again at the cinema was ROTF, which is also the one I enjoy the most. It's not the TFs I grew up with, but I enjoyed it as a spectacle, as entertainment, not having some po faced "epic" storytelling thrown at me. I left the cinema after DOTM and felt depressed and drained at the lack of being entertained. I thought I was going to adore it after the first shots of Cybertron, then the arse literally fell out of it. I still haven't even unwrapped the dvd.
     
  5. Jamocha101

    Jamocha101 Well-Known Member

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    Um. Yeah.

    Thank you for taking what I said and putting it into way more effective and comprehensible words. I feel like a big margin of the fanbase just doesn't have the sentimental attachment that I and some others do, but as much as I try to be rational, I really look up to these guys. I think of them as friends, and they inspire me when nothing else does. Transformers and other cartoons and fandoms I love are there for me on a rainy day. It genuinely bothers me deep inside that Hasbro had disregarded the fans' love for these characters and brutally burnt them to charred metal in favor of putting out new toys. Or doing other stupid things like blowing up a character to rebuild him, give him a new name, and get a new toy out of it. To think that I had spent all that time wondering what characters like Optimus, Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Ironhide, Wheeljack, and Bumblebee would be like if I had known them in real life, and what kind of friends they would be.

    I'm just reiterating, really. Glad to know there's a fan out that seems to share the sentimental value.
     
  6. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    I as well. There's just something epic to it. probably the only really great part from the Sunbow continuity.
     
  7. Bumblethumper

    Bumblethumper old misery guts

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    It gets trashed by everyone, but I don't think the second one was significantly worse than the other two. It probably just comes down to she liked one or two set pieces better than those of the others.

    The same obnoxious comedy and horrible taste is to be found in all 3. It's like asking someone to pick their favourite police academy movie.
     
  8. Ash from Carolina

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    Maybe I'm weird but I don't feel like I'm wed to any one era. G1 was fun, but darn Beast Wars just sort of blew G1 out of the water. It was a sad day for me when Animated got canned. Transformers Prime has given me some great moments. I even get excited about the design of the characters for War of/ Fall of Cybertron.

    If something is good I'm on the bandwagon even if it wasn't from my time. I really loved the original Battlestar Galatica but that doesn't mean I wasn't just about addicted to the new series. Avengers wasn't the same as the characters from the 80's but darn I really like the movie take on the Marvel characters.
     
  9. Meta777

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    I'm pretty much on this boat too. While I will say Beast Wars is my main man, being my first one, I'm also very fond of most of the other continuities, G1, Animated, Prime, Movies, WfC/FoC. Heck, I've been catching up with R.I.D and I'm liking that too :D 
     
  10. webz

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    I didn't go into the TF movies expecting G1. I expected a new history, and a new take on the characters I grew up with (a la Brian Singer's X-Men)...

    what I got was a GI Joe movie blended with American Pie, with a few car-parts sculptures hitting each other. The car-parts sculptures I could stomach. Yes, they aren't ideal, but Barricade and Jazz looked pretty classic. What ruined TF for me was the Shia/Megan storyline and the borderline pornographic jokes that went with it. Took me out of the story, and took the enjoyment out of it. You don't watch a Godzilla movie to see two asian kids rub genitals, you watch Godzilla to see a man in a lizard suit throw a man in a dragon suit into cardboard buildings of Tokyo... That focus was lost in all three TF movies.

    Another thing lost from standard TF lore is the fact that humans are mostly helpless against the decepticons unless the autobots are there to defend them. The armies of earth can fire all they want upon the decepticons, but the bullets and missiles bounce off... it's the AUTOBOTS that save the day...
    In the movies, humans kill decepticons easier than I kill a housefly.

    DOTM I was hoping would take a better approach, since Megan left, and the reports of Ultimate Doom as a backdrop to the story were leaked...Unfortunately, Deep Wang, Malkovich, and Shia's temper tantrum were ridiculously stupid. The sex and innuendo were reduced (thankfully), and it really started to feel Transformers-like, until the end where Shockwave was murdered blind (Shockwave was a HUGE disappointment for me in this film), and then the brutal murders of defeated and surrendered Megatron and Sentinel by Prime. That final act took what was one of the stronger TF films and completely soured it to something worse than Punisher: War Zone.
    You walk away feeling dirty and needing a shower for seeing it.
     
  11. Ash from Carolina

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    Sometimes when you say that you don't like the movies people will say oh well you just like G1 and you can't accept anything else. But I don't go to the movies to get G1 I go expecting something that will exceed it.

    All those years of Transformers stories to say hey the characters can be more than they were in the 80's. Film makers having the tools to actually exceed my imagination. Decades of work for Hollywood to polish the art of both action films and science fiction films. Seeing cultural milestones made out of geek stuff like Star Wars and superhero films. It seems like if there was a time to have wild expectations going into a film it would be the time we live in.

    When Hollywood can give us The Joker, Avengers laying the smack down on an alien invasion when the live action and CGI characters are working as a team, when Lord of the Rings can put massive armies on the screen it's really disappointing that Transformers would struggle just to get up to something like G1 standards.
     
  12. Jazzfan0217

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    Maybe since clearly the movies got it seriously backwards, they should be called Transpeople: Humans in disguise. Then since humans would be the main "exciting" characters the more "boring" robots would have all the focus...:D 
     
  13. mandiprime97

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    Jazzfan0217, such a win.
     
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  15. Gingerchris

    Gingerchris Telly-headed Tyrant

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    Unfortunately the humans in these movies aren't in disguise - you see them in the films everywhere you look. And that's the problem. In these movies it really is 'Transformers: Robots in Disguise' since they're so tucked away behind the apparently more important human story of a 'No no no'-ing selfish div trying to get laid and land a job while being a self-entitled twadge to everyone around him. Relatable reluctant hero everyman he is not.

    I'd maybe be more forgiving of the human scenes in BayFormers if they didn't often centre around such unlikeable arses.

    It's certainly not the kind of thing I'm interested in seeing concentrated on when it comes to a Transformers movie. It's just a pity that over a billion dollars-worth of people apparently do want to see that crap.
     
  16. BooyakaDragon

    BooyakaDragon I Don't Even Know

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    The movies don't suck, the people who make them suck XD
     
  17. DepthWave

    DepthWave Decepticon Storm Trooper.

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    Lol.
    When I saw the title, I just wanted to reply, that "We will not have a "good TF" movie as long as the humans are the main characters".
     
  18. Leonis Prime

    Leonis Prime Ai-Megumi's Man

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    Good is a matter of opinion.

    I would say average at best, horrendous at most (I am looking at ROTF).

    The movies have great moments (usually anything to do with Optimus Prime) but is squashed down by the god awful human storylines and characters.

    The most consistently good quality that the movies continue to carry through is the music score.
     
  19. Leonis Prime

    Leonis Prime Ai-Megumi's Man

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    The movies should be called 'Sam Whitwicky & the Transformers'

    :lol 
     
  20. DepthWave

    DepthWave Decepticon Storm Trooper.

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    Mostly, I like the movies, but now I am re- watching the first one, and it is hard sometimes, because there are too many scenes with humans. It is boring, I don't want to see how Sector Seven kidnapes teenagers and tortures BumbleBee.