Why we'll never get a good transformers movie

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by NathimusPrime, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. Hot Shot.

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    Well, I think Spielberg had a lot to do with Bumblebee being a mute ET. Clearly he doesn't understand Transformers either.
     
  2. rung for life

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    we'll never get a good transformers movie because michael bay is there to stay till tf 6, and when that ends, it'll take almost 40 years to repair the damage and hopefuly reboot the damn thing from the start and this time correctly...

    we don't get good tf movies because it's about humans, looser teens and whores showing off their body instead of robots.

    we get bad tf movies, because the robots look like a mounthill of scrap metal shrapnels attached to each other and look like insects instead of robots which we can not relate to.
     
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    Transformers fans have nothing to whine about when sitting in a room with Joe fans while watching Rise of Cobra.
     
  4. Ash from Carolina

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    Spielberg as a director has brought us iconic films like Indiana Jones, Jaws, and ET. As a producer he has been the force behind some really great TV series. So it's easy to think of Spielberg as a man who doesn't make mistakes because when everything is right wow what a movie.

    But Spielberg is human so he's got his mistakes just like anyone else. Films like Minority Report, Hook, or producing Terra Nova shows that even Spielberg can't be flawless. While he's a creative genius I just don't think that Spielberg really gets Transformers and what some Transformers fans are looking for.
     
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    I wish for a Transformers film as half good as the Tintin movie.

    That movie is fun and Speilberg co-directed it.
     
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    And vice versa I suppose.

    One thing though....and I forget who did this, but how the hell are you going to compare a TF movie (however bad it was) to Twilight? That's blasphemy. Twilight is absolutely horrible! I'd shoot my TV if someone put that on there.
     
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    Oh please, even if someone made a film with writing better than inception about transformers, people will still find something to whine about. It's a lost cause.
     
  8. Stubot

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    well she might enjoy the 4th one then
    as it's supposed to be a more human driven story
    or human drivel story
    depends on how you look at it
     
  9. Ash from Carolina

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    While there will never be a movie that will please every last fan on Earth that should never ever be an excuse to throw your hands up and say we will not even try. Avengers would not please every comic book geek ever but thank goodness they decided to make as many happy as possible.

    I rather like feeling at least somewhat important when I go to see a movie even if I know the film has to appeal to people without a background in the franchise as well. Not exactly like there aren't ways to make the old and new people happy in the same film.
     
  10. Hot Shot.

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    You can't please all of the people all of the time, but that's the worst excuse ever for not trying to please as many people as you can.
     
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    I liked Rise of Cobra
     
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    odd, i have seen 4 good transformers movies...

    just because you do not like revenge of the fallen, doesn't mean that the rest of us don't.

    it's not a perfect movie. but it's not terrible. I think all four transformers movies are enjoyable.

    skids and mudflap; if she likes them, so be it. My sister liked the remake of Red Dawn, but i am not going to go ranting about it on the internet, behind her back... :lol 

    where you went wrong, is simple, you went wrong, with expecting her to have the same opinions, and views about the transformers movies, as you do.

    plus not everyone is interested in giant cgi robots, the way we are... you know?
     
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    The movie that ALL fans are looking for can only come from High Moon

    For the record, the first Michael Bay film is still the best of the 3
     
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    no no nooo I meant the 4th one with Mark Whalberg in it
    I wasn't including the original animated one
     
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    While I may think the Micheal Bay films are toxic sewage incarnate, I'd have to say the 1986 movie would be the closest we would ever get to a definitive 'Good' transformers movie. But on the other hand, if we could judge the Bay movies on their own, even if they were bad they were still reasonably enjoyable, so at least there's that. Plus, with news of a second trilogy on the horizon, perhaps one of those films could be pretty good. And Darkness Rises was pretty awesome on its' own.
     
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    Darkness Rises wasn't even a movie
    plus it was in 5 parts
    at least that's the way the DVD brought it out
     
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    As did I. But then I've never been a great fan or follower of GI Joe. And as The Dark Seeker points out:
    So GI Joe fans might've seen BayFormers and enjoyed it with similar ignorance of the existing Joe franchise while some TF fans feel cheated.
    While I did enjoy GI Joe on a general level I also wish Joe fans could've gotten more of what they wanted in it. As someone that's got not great knowledge of Joe they could throw as much love towards Joe fans in the films as they wanted and I wouldn't notice. But the fans would notice they mattered to the film makers and that would be a good thing. As long as the movie is still good viewing to general audiences too.

    Certainly what we want from a Transformers (or GI Joe) live-action movie)isn't always going to be catered to. But at the very least they should always be good movies at their core.
    Welcome to the world. You'll soon work out how it and the people that live in it function.

    However I wouldn't hold Inception up as some benchmark of good writing that Transformers could only hope of attaining anyway. Inception was a decent enough film but it wasn't anywhere near as great as people were claiming when it was released. It certainly hasn't got much rewatch value apart from maybe just a second go-around. Maybe if Inception had some robots in it it would get more repeat viewings. Robots are the only reason I ever go back and look at a BayFormers movie again, because that's really all it has going for it.

    Transformers doesn't have to be this grand story that some people think others want when they complain about the writing of the movies. It just has to be a good story, told well. And so much of BayFormers really doesn't feel like that to me. It's not even about pleasing TF fans. It's just about pleasing people that want a decently-told decent story, no matter the subject.

    BayFormers did do some small good stuff, even I as a nasty 'hator' will admit that, but those few small instances are always lost amongst a load of other poor effort. A few drops of clean drinking water in an ocean of stale piss.

    It always feels to me like Bay is trucking in the stale piss by the tankerload and the clean drinking water is only ending up in the mix by accident because it randomly rained over the truckstop while Bay wasn't looking.

    You can hide diamonds in a turd but you'll still end up with shit on you when you try to get at the sparklies.

    What I would like is if Bay and co aimed to give us more diamonds than shit, but his first instinct is always to stand behind a horse with a shovel while shooing the jeweller away.

    Sure, the BayFormers films still seem to sell big while mostly only supplying fertilizer, and many people like to just have fertilizer, but he'd probably get a lot more cash and praise if he tried to include some sparkly rocks too within his steaming mass.
    Indeed.
    And indeed.

    It's never a 'lost cause' to try and do better for everyone. It's only lost if the people involved don't even try.
     
  18. Ash from Carolina

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    I think the difference between GI Joe and Transformers right now is that at least GI Joe fans get hope.

    Rise of Cobra, oh that was rough to watch as a GI Joe fan since all the cool stuff about GI Joe and Cobra was taken out, GI Joe got uniforms from the X-Men yard sell, Cobra was going for some grey alien look, and the pain of everyone had to be connected to Channing Tatum's butchery of Duke. Even Baroness and Scarlet failed to bring the sexy.

    But then the studio said, okay next film we are bringing in a new director, new costumes, dropping bad characters, more vehicles, and hopefully ramping up the international appeal of the movie. Instead of what the hell is that on his face Cobra Commander gets a proper battle helmet. The lips get dropped from Snake Eyes. Instead of staring Channing Tatum it's staring the Rock and Bruce Willis. Fan favorites like Firefly need to be in the movie.

    With Transformers we basically got the same film three times in a row and now for the fourth film it's the same production team just with some new human actors. Where GI Joe got a major overhaul to hardly looking like the same film series Transformers will likely be more of the same.
     
  19. rung for life

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    atleast baroness looked like baroness and scarlett looked like scarlett... it was still a military movie... not bimbos and loosers with metal shrapnels...
    i loved rise of cobra... while i agree that not everything works quiet right in movies if they are going to be like the original... gijoe, atleast didn't disapoint or fail so uberly like transformers, because there were still elements there that the fan could relate to, the voice of cobra commander before he put on the mask, the secret cobra base, the cool vehicles, the military stuff, little ninja action and a few look alikes...

    just like the real joker in comics can't work in movies, so they went heath ledger and it wa s great, there's nothing to relate to in transformers movie aprt from prime's faceplate.
     
  20. NathimusPrime

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    if anyone visits this thread agian, keep in mind that i dont think the movies are by any means bad, and the sister part was more of a joke then anything, i was just telling the experiance i had that made me understand the common moviegoers perspective of transformers.