Why we'll never get a good transformers movie

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by NathimusPrime, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. Maximal Dinobot

    Maximal Dinobot Well-Known Member

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    Here's the thing. For the people who like these films or find them not as bad as others say. If you like them, fine but could we at least agree that if the Transformers were the main characters, they automatically would've been a lot better? I really can't understand why you would take these over an actual Transformers movie. The people who like these films don't find it a problem that Transformers doesn't star the Transformers? The '86 movie wasn't a masterpiece but if the live-action films at least focused on the Autobots as main characters, I couldn't complain.

    I'm okay with most of the 1-hour long action sequences as long as the Transformers are on the screen. These scenes don't save the movie in any sense but seeing the Autobots and Decepticons interact and do stuff is what anyone be it the fandom or randoms paid to see. When people come out of them thinking they're good films just because Optimus Prime did something cool in slow-motion for 2 minutes out of 2 hour and 40 minutes full of racist stereotypes, bad comedy and deep wang... just ugh. Are a couple minutes of Optimus Prime worth sitting through all that? Can they get their priorities straight? Someone explain why Patrick Dempsey had more screentime than Megatron in DotM?

    Simpler story, ~90 minutes, Transformers as the mains, easy.

    That too.

    It would be a lot easier if people recognize these for the stupid and bad movies that they are whether they like it or not. I like my share of terrible things. G1 cartoon, Power Rangers, and plenty more but I concede that they aren't well done or amazing even for their time. Does that stop me from liking them? Nope.
     
  2. Kaymac

    Kaymac I'M REALLY FEELIN' IT!

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    Well guess what, I have a friend that isn't part of the fandom that said that he wanted more robots in the movies, and that he would have enjoyed them more if that were the case. The general audience might react well to more robots, because I'm pretty sure most people that go to see a movie called "Transformers", go to see it for the goddamn Transformers. I couldn't care less about the people that only go to see the movies to see the humans, because these CLEARLY are not the movies for them.

    We WILL get a good Transformers movie, because people can take stories about giant robot civil wars seriously if they are written well, take Fall of Cybertron for example.

    There is a semblance of a serious movie within all of the useless human scenes and useless robot humor, and I think at least some of the people working on this at least have a clue what they are doing.
     
  3. Jamocha101

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    Well.

    I forget who it was, but I liked the way one critic put it back in the day. Something to the effect of, "It was like going to the Super Bowl, except there's no score board. You hear a lot of loud noise, but you can't tell who's doing what to who when and for what reason."

    I also have a distaste for it on account for Hasbro's dumb gimmick to introduce a slew of new characters and kill off the old ones that the fanbase had come to know and love for money-making purposes, but that appears to be a sentiment shared between a small percentage of us, so.
     
  4. Jetstorm

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    I love how the topic is "why we'll never get a good Transformers movie" when there are three (four including the '86 movie)...
     
  5. siccoyote

    siccoyote Worst side of the fandom

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    You and everyone else are entitled to your own opinion of the 86 movie, even if it's completely wrong and stupid.
     
  6. SouthtownKid

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    Maybe you should let your sister have her own taste and not try to make her conform to Transformer Nerd standards. Oh no! She enjoyed the one Transformers nerds hate most! What a tragedy!

    And lol@ being surprised a girl didn't like any of the Transformers movies despite having seen them in theaters. That's not surprising at all. My wife saw all three in the theaters as well, and she doesn't like any of them. She'll come with me to the fourth movie, too, and I'm pretty sure she won't like that one, either.
     
  7. Ash from Carolina

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    There are only two types of people in Hollywood that give a damn if you liked their film or not, the fan and the artist.

    The fan understands your hopes and dreams of something you love becoming a great movie because they share those same hopes and dreams. For all the talk about the geeks taking over Hollywood it's still really hard to get something like Peter Jackson on the Lord of the Rings or Joss Whedon on Avengers. They can worry if fans will like it or not because fans are their peers.

    The artist can feel vindication in the work from the aeration of others. They have accomplished something money can't buy if people love their work. The money guys in Hollywood really don't like artist though because the money guys think every film should be dumbed down to the point where even the most dim witter of ticket buyers can get it. Artist usually get lower budget films and even then people have to smell Oscar before investing.

    Most of the people in Hollywood are more than happy to take your ticket money and then not care if you liked the film or not. You can't get your money back if you didn't like the film so the box office counts just the same if you leave happy or you leave pissed off.
     
  8. webz

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    There already was the "perfect Transformers" movie... it was the pilot multipart origin of the G1 cartoon, "More than meets the eye". When I want a "perfect" Transformers story, I watch that on Netflix.
    When I want mass-appeal, braindead, bottom of the barrel schlockbuster film-making, I turn to the Bay movies.

    As I, and many others, have stated previously, if you remove the GI Joe and horny kid aspects of the 3 films, the plots of the movies aren't that far off from a typical Transformers cartoon, whatever the generation.

    1) MacGuffen Cube to repower cybertron, dorky human saves the bots. (how many times did Spike or Chip save the bots?)
    2) Decepticon MacGuffen Machine to absorb the sun
    3) basically "Ultimate Doom" with some tweaks.

    As far as storylines, they fit in well with the mythos. The characters get short changed heavily, but that's been beaten so thin, it's translucent.
     
  9. electronic456

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    Nothing really is gonna be 100% perfect.

    I thought the 1st movie was good enough for me.
    2nd was the downer.
    3rd revived my faith in the movie franchise. Right now, just enjoy the movies please........


    There seems to be a lack of judgement from your sister in my opinion..........
     
  10. webz

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    I remember being a small child when the animated movie came out, and was tortured in ways Michael Bay could only DREAM of tormenting his audience during the attack on Autobot City and the death of Prime. At the time, I had EVERY Transformer toy from the mail-order-only Reflector and Sunstreaker to the near impossible to find (remember, no internet back then) Jetfire. In a matter of 10 minutes, every single one of my toys was dead. Childhood friends that I shared numerous adventures were smoking chunks of metal... I wept freely when Prime died. Sure, Grimlock and his Dinobots survived, but otherwise, EVERYONE died. Not only did they die, but they were replaced by characters I didn't care about, with vehicle modes that were dumb and "star-warsish". One of the biggest kicks I got out of Transformers was the idea that the car or truck on the side of the road COULD be an Autobot protecting us. Jets in formation above (I lived 20min from an Airforce base) were Decepticons scouting us for weaknesses. They were all vehicles I could ACTUALLY see on the road (well, not Sunstreaker or Wheeljack, but the majority)...

    the 1986 movie killed all that. We went from identifiable vehicles to "cybertronian truck" (Kup) or "prototype racer" (hotrod). Springer, Galvatron, Cyclonus, etc just made things worse, and was the downhill slide for my interest in Transformers as a kid. Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse (Headmasters, Pretenders, and Gen2), they turn my beloved Robots in Disguise into monkeys, rats, etc... and it took 15 years to get me back on board the TF fandom wagon....

    So I can understand a dislike for the 1986 film... a few of us are old enough to have experienced it first hand at a tender age.
     
  11. Gingerchris

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    I went into RotF fully expecting to hate Skids, Mudflap, Jetfire and Wheelie, but actually came out of it quite enjoying them. They had more character to them than just the dull supersoldier types like Bumblebee, Ironhide and Sideswipe. I guess it was because they were larger than life though, which is a tricky path to walk and for some people tipped them into overly cartoonish.

    Can't disagree with that. Even with the amount of Spike and Sparkplug in it it never felt like it revolved around them. I'd be perfectly happy if MTMTE was made into a live-action movie, but of course when it comes to a live-action movie the sheer amount of robot scenes in it would break the budget. I'd maybe like an all-CGI theatrical update movie of MTMTE instead, with a few extra scenes to get it up to around ninety minutes. Maybe expand the final battle before the Decepticons blast away from Earth, and slip in the introduction of the Matrix somewhere so it can come up again in a sequel. Do NOT expand the human scenes. :p 

    However, since Hollywood loves humans to win the day so much I'd be concerned that where Mirage sneaks aboard the Decepticon ship and then sabotages it that Spike would take that action instead (maybe hiding by using a small holo-emitter given to him by Hound earlier in the 'Why do you transform?' scene). I suppose it wouldn't really be that terrible if it happened though as as small human sneaking abourd a large spaceship does make some logical sense and the Decepticons wouldn't be looking out for one of us human insects. In which case he might not even need a way of making himself invisible, just a way to get safely back to the ground after sabotaging the ship.
     
  12. jru42287

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    Uh...that's debatable.
     
  13. Ash from Carolina

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    I agree that there isn't any movie that is 100% perfect. I'll even throw in that you can't make a movie that will please every single person on Earth because our tastes are just too diverse.

    It just kind of bothers me though that the Transformers movies only seem to be bringing their A game when it comes to special effects. Everything else feels either outdated or poorly aping a popular trend. By something like the 80's standards the films wouldn't be that bad, but it's not an 80's film it's having to go up against things like Avengers, Dark Knight, or Lord of the Rings.
     
  14. OptimussSTAR

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    this is getting to be a pain in the butt, I am tired of this site all I see are people knocking the movies, just be glad the movies were made or whatever but stop wasting time about subjects that have been beaten to death .......
    I just visit the threads which have stills anymore because this sort of crap about the way Bay directed the movies is stupid the man is laughing all the way to the bank. Whether anyone else agrees or not the man knows his craft and it seems to me the ones complaining all the time are either jealous or have nothing else better to do.
     
  15. Mister Gone

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    Wut? There seems to be a little contradiction in your post in a non-still related thread.
     
  16. Aernaroth

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    Don't come to the movie forums then, I guess? Or put everyone you disagree with on your ignore list?

    The simple truth is, none of us have to be "glad" the movies were made, nor do we have to be satisfied with what resulted. The fact that so many people level such a wide range of criticisms should be troubling to even the most ardent of supporters of these films. While no TFW members (to my knowledge) have publicly stated they've worked on the films (except for one extra, I think), outlining the weaknesses of the film and/or potential improvements, could prevent the same mistakes or lost opportunities in storytelling from being repeated later (especially now that we're starting to see examples of "fans" breaking into the business). More importantly than that, people are stating their opinions and discussing them, which is the point of their site, which does not limit itself to a single viewpoint, nor to viewpoints that have not been previously stated.

    If you disagree with what people are saying, you'd be better off refuting it with a well-reasoned rebuttal than by denigrating their right to post their opinion or throwing out ad hominem attacks. If that's not your speed, well, your options are limited to what I said in the first paragraph.
     
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  17. Gingerchris

    Gingerchris Telly-headed Tyrant

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    Roughly translated as: 'People don't like what I like. Wah! This entire forum should conform to only what I want to read about! You're all meanies! Bay made money so he's better than you and your pointless lives!'.

    I probably shouldn't expend the effort since I know you'll only see a 'hator' hating, but since I've nothing better to do right now...
    And yet you still come back. Despite often keep saying you're done with the place because of nasty 'hatorz'. You really need to grow a thicker skin if the opinions of others different to your own grate on you so much.
    Nope. I will not be glad such poor quality efforts have been made 'just because'.
    If you have a problem with the subject of a particular thread then report it and let site staff deal with it if they agree.
    And yet you came into this thread knowing full well what it was about from the title even though you knew it would make you pissy.
    He knows Transformers makes him money. It's why he won't go away.
    That's right. We're here soley to annoy you. And of course I'm jealous. I wish I could make loads of money from making poor movies that rely completely on CGI effects and the name 'Transformers' rather than creating good stories and translating them decently to screen. And right now, yes, I don't have anything better to do. I might go take a dump later, but for now I'm here online shooting the shit.

    Deep breaths and peace be with you.
    Yup. I have far more respect for people that love the BayFormers movies if they put the effort into saying why they like them and give reasoned rebuttal to negative opinions rather than just throwing a tantrum and saying the other 'side' are wrong to hate them.

    I'm here for discussion. I'm here for airing my personal problems with the movies. I'll even admit the few things I did like about the movies. I'm here to read about what other intelligent people think of the movies, even if they did enjoy them (there's often a nice middle ground that can be found with the reasonable ones). And I'm here for fun and making crap jokes.

    But mostly I'm just here because I heard there was punch and pie.
     
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  20. Aernaroth

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