I loved the G1 episodes, I didn't like the animated movie because it killed off all of the characters I liked. I didn't care for any of the Beast Wars and I thoroughly enjoyed Transformers and DOTM.

 

Why is that when people say "No offense," they instantly offend people? Its weird.

Let's compare the two. Not to say money equals quality, but let's see this....

Pacific Rim costs roughly 190 million dollars to make. It earned back roughly 400,000,000 dollars. Roughly.

Transformers 1 cost 150 million to make. It earned back 700,000,000 dollars. Transformers was cheaper to make and it earned back more money still. More than four times the amount to make it.

Transformers 2? 2 million to make. More than 830,00,000 dollars in return.

And Dark of the Moon? A 195 million dollar budget, with over ONE BILLION dollars in return.

Yeah. No matter how you put it, Bay's doing something right.

With that said, I can't wait for Age of Extinction! FREAKING PUMPED!

Ahem.

Optimus Prime is NOT Transformers. Do not insult the franchise like that. G1 Prime, Prime Prime....do not give them that title. Do not.

Although I am fine if you called Bay Prime and Animated Prime Transformers. Those are my favorite Primes. UT Prime too, if not nothing else than those awesome super modes.

Also, Prime? A pacifist? Tell that to Ramjet and everyone else Prime killed in the 80s.

We really opening up that can of worms again?

Eh. I prefer the Bay movie over the 86 movie. Better quality, better characters, better look, and more energy. Wish people would stop quoting it, but eh. What cha gonna do.

Stab Bush is nice though.

DARE!

Heh.

 

Maybe he thinks Optimus can sit down with Megatron for a chat and some tea and crumpets. I mean, talking to monsters always worked out so well. Besides it´s silly. Prime fights because he has to. Megatron and the Con have proven that they can´t be called to reason in learly all timelines. Only the threat of a universal monster (Unicron) has been able to tone them down, and even them, the cons are mostly not to be trusted. Also lol at "pacifist", yeah sure, that´s why he carries a freakishly large rifle.

Also, the 86 movie is shit. Eat.Me.

 

Wow. I mean this as a compliment. That Whirl avatar really fits you.  

Some villains can be reasoned with.

Some can't. And in war, you want to apply the most pain you can on the other side to end the war and start the healing process.

 

Also, show me a pacifist that carries around a rifle and I´ll show you a hypocrite. Point is you either accept Prime is NOT a pacifist or is a hypocrite. You cannot have both.

 

I agree you can look at Optimus as a pacifist stuck in an eternal war. The Autobots were forced to learn how to be soldiers.

 

Except that's total profit made by the movies, NOT the number of tickets sold. The raw numbers aren't as impressive when you factor in the increased prices for IMAX tickets, which just one would in the raw numbers represent at minimum two regular tickets. That's mainly why DOTM broke the Billion Dollar mark and the highest grossing movie of all time; James Cameron's Avatar, got close to 2.75 billion in total profit.

Additionally, IJ and the KotCS, which is a terrible film, had similar budget and profit numbers as the first Transformers from the year before, but like Transformers, the reason for that is name recognition and heavy advertizement or, in the case of Transformers, a very hot female lead. Hence why Hasbro tried to do the same three times with the G.I. Joe films and that terrible Battleship film, with heavy emphasis on how they were like Transformers.

Yeah. That's actually Bumblebee's job.

Ramjet survived, since he's later seen in Astrotrain dumping out the injured Decepticons IIRC. Really, Prime actually didn't kill anybody in the movie, just Hasbro's toy sales.

Pacifism means having a courage rating of 2.


Unless you're Groove.


Or a guy whose most meorable part of the cartoon was refusing to use his gun to fight on pacifistic grounds.

All things considered, those three are the ONLY examples I can find, with Prime hardly ever being on the same level as these guys. Sure, he massively prefers not fighting, but he is nowhere close to being a pacifist when he willingly beats the crap out of Decepticons in any continuity.

 

Ugh. I hate this fucking argument. G1 SUCKS, Movies SUCK, most everything about the Transformers SUCK but Transformers are AWESOME. Period. Amen. Peace.

 

Pacifism means conscientiously objecting to war.

Having a courage rating of 2 surely just makes one a bit cowardly.

I do hope you were being flippant  

 

Haha. No arguing with that  

 

I think it's more the marketing team did something right than Bay did something right. Release Transformers during a slow part of the film calender, take way a pop culture name to bank on, put it against a red hot franchise, or change some other factors and Transformers would not have brought home as much money.

Which is why you can't really compare Transformers and Pacific Rim based on box office because Transformers has one of the best marketing machines behind it while the studio stumbled with how to sell ticket buyers on Pacific Rim.

I know it's been said about a billion times, but box office tells you how well the marketing team did but tells you almost nothing about the quality of the film. Some times the second or third week box office on a smaller film can tell you about positive word of mouth, but with the box office being so dominated by marketing you can't really say a film was good or bad based on nothing but the box office. It's why the Best Picture Oscar isn't just handed out to the movie with the biggest box office.

Although if the box office will bring an end to the Bay version of Transformers one of these days then more power to the box office on that day.

 

I have noticed what some "Main Audience Critics" have said about Transformers Movies and one comment that came up that was interesting was that some think that due to the way the Movies are marketed globally - there's a deliberate intent to use base humour and slapstick as well as action as that translates better than more verbal comedy. ad i guess the "Idea" of a Romantic subplots is designed to get the Girlfriends to go with their fellas to see the Movie (as well as them thinking Bumblebee is some sort of Metal Edward and metal Ewok or a furby or something "cute"].

Where as Transformers fans might joke about Bumblebee and his Pet Human the mass audience more likely see Bumblebee as Sam's Metal bipedal Guard dog than that of a sentient being who's found a cute little biped to treat like Paris Hilton and her handbag dog.

I have never been bothered by Mudflap & Skids as at least they talk and they pick on Leo (which is a Plush as Leo is an annoying superfluous dork) which is more than the Decepticon usually do (aside from Laserbeak).

On other issue that comes up repeatedly is that people can't tell the robots apart there seems to be issues with Ratchet and Bumblebee or Ironhide and protoforms or Megatron and Grindor or Blackout 'n' Starscream.

People especially have a problem during the Mission City battle (2007) and the Forest Fight (2009) or much of the city scenes in 2011. bad editing hardly helps I guess either.

I also notice that the vast majority of people think the Driller is a Transformers when in actual fact its more like Shockwave's pet or vehicle and isn't even sentient or capable of any meaningful Transformation. and only limited independent action. I can't be certain but I think that the movie was supposed to show Shockwave driving the thing and that is why Shockwave appear absent when he's actually inside the thing much of the time... this isn't at all clear and is only really stated in secondary material.

I find lots of people who know zip about Transformers like the movies and it seems the less you know about Transformers the more you like them and conversely the more you know about Transformers the more some seem to like the 1986 Transformers Movie. and that casual viewers often find that confusing too - but the more you know the more that makes sense - where as with 2007-2011 a lot of the time the extra info does not always help very much.

Does amuse the pants off me that both casual and fan critique of 2007 Transformer usually agree's the Movie is to long and that the whole Codebreaker plot needed to be extensively trimmed.

And some things it makes not difference if your a fan or not it's still not that clear - such a lot of what Sentinel Prime says and does seems to be for no good or logical reason. or even why Megatron is acting like such a wus in DOTM.

Personally I see those Movies as 100% for the mainstream and they don't really have much to do with me at all as a Transformers fan if I leach any enjoyment out of them at all it's due tot eh bright colours and visual spectacle alone. Sort of like watching a firework display I guess.

Does amuse the pants off me that both casual and fan critique of 2007 Transformer usually agree's the Movie is to long and that the whole Codebreaker plot needed to be extensively trimmed.

TMNT 1 Stands up for me (mostly) Splinter is a bit wodden but is well voiced over all the lip synch is excellent you forget they are puppets almost immediately and really feel empathy for Raph and Leo's arks (remember they were fresh back then and not redone to death in every subsequent show yet). I still think it's a top 10 Comic book movie of all time to me. Simple straight forward well acted excellent masks/costumes for the Turtles and well acted over all.

TMNT 2 The Turtles still look and sound OK they no longer swear and no longer fight as convincingly so it's a bit more toned down and less dark than the 1st one - however it does have enough reasonable parts to still work to some extent (I like David Warner's character and Super Shedder and Toka and Razor are fun). over all modestly successful sequel.

TMNT 3 : Is a pile of ass hats.

(animated) TMNT (Movie) : Boring it drags some of the acting is horrible and the plot is uninteresting and it rehashes a lot and continuity wise it fits no where, so I'm not a fan I doubt i'll ever watch it again it's neither fun or exciting or even interesting and the animation is at times dreadful and the art design is ugly and colour clashing. It wouldn't even have made a god videogame plot.

But in general no I don't think they are silly movies any more than Ghostbusters is sily - on some level it can be taken that way but in context nope it's not going out of it's way to be camp or break the 4th wall on it's own world (usually excluding vanilla Ice) some of the Dialogue makes me cringe in the 2nd one and most of it in the 3rd one but I remain very confirmed the 1st one is a terrific movie in fact I'd say it's the very template a potentially decent Transformers movie should have in terms of balance of human and non-human characters and how you could use them to get the audience to care about them.

 

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I like every single TF universe . . . so . . . there.

 

I like Transformers.