I can see that you fancy yourself some type of of forum badass/flame warrior, and even though I literally spelled out why your example was ironic, let me break it down for you even further: The irony in your complaint is that Micheal Bay's movie was not faithful to the source material while citing as a supporting reference a movie that was even LESS faithful to its source material as a counterexample. It's obvious that you hate to concede ANY point you make, no matter how poorly supported, but please, just stop this and admit that you stepped in it, or better yet, read the book Jurassic Park, which is much better than all of the movies derived from it AND the TF movies put together.
In that case, don't bother making a movie if it's too much of a cost. The world can survive without a Transformers movie.
It's kind of funny that when people talk about how much the effects cost we never talk about if they invested the special effects money wisely on the film. You really have to wonder how much the GGI would have cost if they wouldn't have done crazy things like the bragging about how Ironhide's gun in the first movie had 10,000 parts. Kind of seems like they could have made a pretty cool gun with just 1/10th of the parts.
Well, the polygons has less to do with cost than artistic/nerd ego of the CGI artists. Some of it also has to do with programs used. I remember one of the ILM artists commenting that the amount of processing for just the scene with Prime transforming in the alley in front of Sam was more computer processing than used to make all of the Jurassic Park movies combined. They like to push their professional boundaries. I, however, would have been much happier if Ironhide's gun has 1000 parts, but they added more bots, more screen time, and had the focus of the movie being on Optimus and the Autobots adapting to this strange, new world, with Decepticons trying to not only find and destroy the autobots, but have a political struggle over what to do with the frozen Megatron. with TF2, the Fallen should not have been a walking, talking being, but perhaps an entity that bonded with Megatron's spark, or otherwise influenced him. Megatron was a pathetic lacky, and again, the story of "Sam becomes a man" trumps any character growth for a Transformer. DOTM came closest to a "real" Transformer movie, because there WAS the ideology of Sentinel's defection and the political ramifications within the Decepticon hierarchy. Megatron actually had some growth as a character. The autobots and the other decepticons went no where, but there was a glimmer of character within Megatron for the first time in the series. Ultimate proof that the Autobots are "useless" so to speak, is the role of Bumblebee. He is the bot that Sam is supposed to have the strongest relationship with. Spielberg even says the movies are about "a boy and his car"... but we never see a relationship form. At least nothing that is healthy. TF1, BB is just a vehicle Sam wants to use to get laid. He finds out BB is a sentient robot, and he complains that his "$4000 just drove away." TF2, BB is living in his parents garage, like a pet. Sam's comment to BB is, "You'll always be my first car". Not "you'll always be my best friend." And then in TF3, BB is again treated like an abused spouse when Sam has his hissy pissy fit at the checkpoint. It is a horrible, abusive relationship Sam has with Bumblebee. They never have any bonding moments between them. Even the horrible fishing scene with Daniel and Hotrod in 1986 was leaps above anything in 2007 - 2011
Actually i am not claiming or trying to be a forum badass or flame warrior. I was, and i am still... not interested at all in this conversation and have been trying to end it since the start. Stop dragging this out - i dont care - its a movie that i am not interested in and is not relevant to the point. I no longer care.
Just wanting to point this out here. If you have no interest in this conversation, why do you want to end it? Why are you even posting. Clearly you seem to have some interest, otherwise, you'd be somewhere else. But you're here, reading posts, replying, and spurring on the thread that you claim to have no interest in, and want to end(Thereby interested. Funny that.). ...Are you this guy? xkcd: Duty Calls
Possibly, though it does not fit with the definitions of it... It Is Ironic, Isn't It? Also, why are we still talking about Irony? Its a Transformers topic. Your childish retort was simply insulting, especially when you are doing exactly what you described... ._. I reply to posts when i'm replied to, otherwise it seems i am just ignorant. Unless people state that they do not wish to talk - in which case, i stop replying to them. My point was originally about suspense in the Transformers films - however it has went into a talk about Irony and Jurassic Park - both of which are off topic and i am trying in vain to steer the topic back to Transformers.
Well, we've all gone a bit off topic, pretty much. Let's get the train back on the track before the Fat Controller tells us off So, yeah, I think useless is too harsh a term for the Autobots. I mean, they do save the day pretty often, with destroying the pillar and the harvester, finishing the Fallen and taking down Megs once and for all. Plus, they are helping out human conflicts by the third film; the novel also mentions they help with relief in countries hit by natural disasters and stuff, which is a pretty nice thing to do for us
Agreed, they did do a ton of stuff (emphasised more in the comic) where they helped. In the ROTF comics continuity they even rebuilt the Pyramid at the end. Granted the military has a huge advantage - especially in DOTM with their training from the Autobots - however they still needed the Autobots as a distraction and attempt to break through the Decepticons hold on the city.
Pretty much. Humans have always had the home-turf/numbers advantage, and the Autobots have been specifically training them to take down Decepticons efficiently, showing them where the soft-spots are, Que building neat bombs and stuff. The combination of the Autobot's experience and own strength/firepower combines neatly with humanity's pragmatism and swarming capacity
Being a hypocrit allows one a digusting amount of freedom. I did feel though your original post was quite on topic and seemed to be a good starting point for a conversation, and I sort of agree with it. I do feel though that bot on bot action can achieve a certain amount of drama and suspense if done right. But it needs to be done right. More or less, story telling in some circles has degraded into doing what they know will work, rather than make an effort to make something unique. I thought they accomplished it very well with the animated Transformers movie from the 80's while also setting an identity to some characters(Ultra Magnus, for me, will always be a narcissistic self important jack ass who whines alot. Kup will always be that old war Vet that I could sit with Grimlock and listen to stories from. Hot Rod... I'll be honest, he seemed good. And better, towards the end. And then Season 3 of Transformers hit and well, he was much less impressive. In any case, I'm rambling.). I do think the Bots and the Con's got the short end of the stick though, and got downplayed alot. Blackout went from being a badass to just.. Robbed. I enjoyed the first film alot. Hell, I liked revenge of the fallen too. It had bits that I enjoyed and... We'll not mention Devastators balls. I wish though, the Decepticons had been more difficult to defeat in all three films, or that they had not pulled punches in all of them. Then maybe the Autobots could have came in and saved the day and been more of a dramatic role. After all, who else would save humanity from extinction by Decepticon hands?
...So what you're saying is.. Primus is the Xel'naga, and the Autobots are the Protoss, and humans are the Zerg, and we're gonna have tiny gobot babies together and blow shit up?
I kinda understand Blackout as the Military got their ass handed to them on almost three seperate attacks (once from Blackout, twice from Scorponok) so i knew it had to be them who took him down... i just feel it would have been nice to see him get a few more worthwhile kills in there and not be taken down by being shot in the crotch. I feel the dramatic return in DOTM was meant to be along the lines of the 'dramatic role' you mention - however it ended up with some bad dialogue that essentially made it feel to me personally that the Autobots had planned it from the start - the line from Optimus talking about how they had to leave to make them understand could be easily interpreted to be on about humans. It annoys me when they have so much source material to work with and end up under-utilising it - e.g. Megatron in the first and third films.
