Bay formers 4= insult to a great name

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by rusty26, Nov 10, 2012.

  1. Puck Hockey

    Puck Hockey Well-Known Member

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    But... but money...
     
  2. Takeshi357

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    That would be the realistic view - but the Bay movies and realism don't even belong in the same sentence.

    Yes, I would expect the army to get involved - but since the Autobots are supposed to be the protagonists, the army isn't supposed to do a better job at fighting the Decepticons than they are!
     
  3. Ash from Carolina

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    Given the behavior of some nations I think a situation like in Transformers would only worsen the relationship between some nations rather than make it stronger. If nations like Iran and North Korea weren't part of NEST then it's only going to feed feeling of paranoia if they think the US is taking apart alien robots to learn how to build better weapons.

    It's just hard to imagine any sizable nation that would just hand over it's sovereignty on it's native soil to have a foreign military fight in the place of it's own forces. In the second movie why would the Chinese just hand the attack on the Decepticons over to NEST when China had more to gain from getting the Decepticons themselves? It's never been clear just which nations are part of NEST.
     
  4. Gingerchris

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    I have no problem with the military, US or otherwise, being involved in the Transformers war. In these so-called 'realistic' BayFormers movies it's to be expected humans are going to poke their noses and guns in. It just shouldn't regularly be made the focus of the Transformers war. The military can still do their worthy stuff, but it shouldn't be so worthy that it's always a main part of winning the day.

    Maybe if it was just the military humans involved in the story it wouldn't be so bad, but then we have Sam and his parents and friends and girlfriend and boss and anyone else that gathers around his nonsense and pointlessly takes up screen time. If there's one thing Bay really needs to learn to do with these movies is edit them better and concentrate on the really important stuff rather than who's showing their underwear full of drugs while putting a dick in a fart and pissing all over someone to stop them humping a leg because their balls are showing.
    Well, it's not like many of the movie problems from 2007 have actually been resolved at present.
    People complain about aspects of the Bay TF movies today because it's still an ongoing issue for them starting from 2007 and carrying forwards.
    When a new BayFormers movie is due or has arrived of course it's like 2007 all over again because more often than not the new movie is still doing the same old 2007 stuff that annoys some people.
     
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    Movie forum won. Turn out the lights, kids.
     
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    Say a technologically advanced alien race attacked China and the Chinese military was proving ineffective in combating it. Eventually they just might ask the US, who has a more technologically advanced military, for an assist.
    I mean if the survival of the species is potentially at risk relatively petty misgivings between nations would probably fall away.
     
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    China would probably kill off it's entire population before they asked america for help. Also,we are not talking about an alien army fighting against an earth army, but an alien army fighting agaisnt another oposing alien army, assisted by an earth army...
     
  9. Ash from Carolina

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    While China might not be at the same technological level as the US I wouldn't exactly count the Chinese military as a push over force. The Chinese are rapidly making advances to their equipment and while they don't get a lot of press the People's Liberation Army Special Operations Forces are the equivalent of the special forces in any of the first world nations.

    The only experimental human built weapon we saw in the movies was the rail gun, the rest of the weapons that were used effectively against the Decepticons was off the shelf weapons or weapon systems.
     
  10. butchrecon72

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    Haters gotta hate. I enjoyed the movies for what they were....big screen entertainment. I dont think it ruined the franchise at all. I have been a fan since I was 12 (1984), I have watched the Transformers brand change, G1, G2, Beast Wars/Machines, RID, Alternators, Universe, Energon, Cybertron, Animated, Movies, Classics/Generations, TF Prime. Each with its own unique flair to it. A TRUE fan will just roll with it as it continues to change and continues to bring us stuff to buy and collect.
     
  11. boxorak

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    No, a TRUE fan will whine about everything that isn't G1. It's like you know nothing about how fanbases work. :D 


    You know, I'm not a Chinese government official, but I'm pretty sure if an army of killer robots landed in Beijing and started tearing sh!t up, China would want a little help, especially if they were losing.

    Also, could you turn your argument into something about politics? That way, this thread might be locked quicker. :p 
     
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    For some maybe ;-)
     
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  14. TylerMirage

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    Yes, he gives noble speeches about how he cannot and will not allow an innocent planet to die because of the sins of his race. And his actions, while violent, do show that he is desperate for the war to end. And when did Optimus sacrifice a city? You mean the lose-lose situation that Optimus was presented with?

    "Defenders of Earth, we have come for your natural resources to rebuild our damaged planet. When we have transported all we need we will leave your world in peace. For such peace to exist, you must immediately exile the Autobots rebels you have harboured. Non-negotiable. Renounce the rebels. We await your reply."

    Scenario #1: Optimus and the Autobots stay, defying the ultimatum. Now the "peace" offer no longer stands and war breaks out. People are enslaved and die.

    Scenario #2: Optimus and the Autobots leave, agreeing to the ultimatum. "Peace" is still no longer an option and the city of Chicago is taken under siege. People are enslaved and die.

    Optimus didn't leave Chicago to be destroyed to "prove a point". He left because he had no choice. He knew the 'Cons and Sentinel couldn't be trusted, so he had a back-up plan. They'd undoubtedly betray and DECEIVE them, hence...

    "Your leaders will now understand, Decepticons will never leave your planet alone. And we needed them to believe we had gone. For today, in the name of freedom, we take the battle to them!"

    Seriously, no matter what decision was made - be it production-related or story-related - Optimus would've been "an idiot". Think of the fanbase's reaction to the above scenarios.

    Scenario #1: Why didn't Optimus leave? Did he want war to break out? What an idiot! He put all of Earth in danger by defying Sentinel! He's such a dick!"

    Scenario #2: Why did Optimus leave? Was he really so naive as to believe Sentinel and the Decepticons would keep their word? He put all of Earth in danger by leaving! He's such a dick!"

    Noideaforaname, please change your username to "Thisguygetsit". Heck, the (traditional) Wreckers would be right at home in your proposed idea.
     
  15. Ash from Carolina

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    Why in the world would you play the "true fan" card when the whole "true fan" thing always ends up crazy.

    Even as a fan of something I don't think there is any sort of obligation to like everything. People don't have to like everything that has Batman on it to be Batman fans so I'm not sure why Transformers fans should feel like they must like something to remain a fan.

    If having a dislike for G1 Wheelie, Beast Machines Nightscream, or Deluxe sized Airachnid makes me not a fan then I'm just going to have to be a non-fan.
     
  16. Bass X0

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    Can we at least get rid of all humor regarding drugs, sex and other immature jokes?

    I didn't even like them in the Scooby-Doo movies. They have no place in Transformers.
     
  17. jru42287

    jru42287 Ass Möde is a way of life.

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    Well said, dude.
     
  18. scoobsterinc

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    I laugh at people who say it destroyed the franchise when it in fact revived it as more people were getting into transformers from it.
     
  19. jru42287

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    Yeah, but then those people just say "well, they're not real fans, because they like the movie! The real fans are the ones who grew up with G1!" Because, yes, a crappy 80's cartoon is apparently the sacred cow to them.

    Like, have you seen that "1984 forever" dude that floats around this site? Read some of his posts, and prepare to laugh heartily.
     
  20. Scorpio

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    Actually its more along the lines of them being attracted to the franchise via what most people agree is 'bad movies' which misrepresent the characters shown in the series - essentially meaning that Transformers will get dumber and more silly and Bay-verse like in order to appeal to fans who only found Transformers via Bay.