what i mean is that even if the media in where they use the name Wheeljack and Dino arent canon, the use of those names officialy makes them Wheeljack/Que and Mirage/Dino, its liek the Jetfire/Skyfire thing, he's Jetfire in other media, but he's SKyfire in other media, yet they are the same guy, doesnt matter if they have diff names, they are still the same guys even if they go in a different name on any media.

you guys are allowed to think them as diff characters, but the truth is that those guys like it or not are the Movie Wheeljack and Mirage, if they never used Wheeljack and Mirage as names for those guys in the comics and all media of DOTM, then they would be jsut Que and Dino. but as i said the use of the names Wheeljack and Mirage in official media, makes those names valid to the Blue Mercedes and Red Ferrari. if it was fan media, then its not official, but since it was in a official licensed product then the names Wheeljack and Mirage ARE valid for those 2 guys

heck even if they used a third name in another movie media, that would make their third name valid aswell

 

Absolutely not!!!
It's serious discussions like his that determine the Transformers experience.





 

 

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Not at all.'Q' was a pansy, Wheeljack was always at minimum a well-armed and ready adversary, as well as an engineer. 'Dino' behaved like Sideswipe with an accent, Mirage was a spy and never the type to risk a frontal attack. Also, 'Dino' didn't display any special abilities such as invisibility.

 

I use both names interchangeably.

Que/Wheeljack has the same basic "Autobot inventor" role as his G1 counterpart, and I'd like to think Bumblebee's "goodbye, old friend" line was a nice callback to the fact that BB and WJ were the first two 'Bots seen in the G1 cartoon, so to me he's the Wheeljack of Movieverse. "Que", I figure, is much like James Bond's "Q" and is a title rather than a name, so it's appropriate calling him "Que" and/or "Wheeljack."

Dino/Mirage... I honestly don't give enough of a damn to sort that one out, so I just use both.

 

I consider Que Wheeljack but I'm okay with Dino.

 

Yeah, I didn't get the Dino/Mirage thing. If either Wheeljack or Mirage was going to be made an Italian car, it seems like it should have been Wheeljack, since that fits his history, and Mirage was originally a French-designed car. And then they made the French car Italian and made Que a German car. WTF.

That's why I don't care what their names are. Their names could be anything. They aren't the G1 characters, so why not let them have new names? If they HAD named them Mirage and Wheeljack, I would have been perfectly fine with it. But they didn't, and I'm perfectly fine with that, too. If Bay or whoever changes his mind and tells us, hey, actually they are Wheeljack and Mirage, I will go along with it. Until then, not so much.

 

No. I consider them as Sky Lynx and Trypticon, respectively.

 

Why not, honestly.

 

Just look at Wheelie.

 

Little bastard couldn't even compose a rhyme...

 

To me, the movie should supersede whatever ancillary stories that takes place in the same universe. So the movie calls him Que, then he's Que to me, tho' given the personality of him I can accept him as Wheeljack as well (if he hadn't been blown to kingdom come that is...if he's "Que" there's still an off chance I can see Wheeljack proper in the movieverse  ).

Dino, however, needs to be his own character in my opinion. With Que, you can at least see Wheeljack but with Dino, there's zero link to Mirage. Plus, Dino is a cool character and deserves to be his own character.

 

Movie trumps all. Call Michael Bay and see if he'll reshoot it.

You keep failing to see that the media that used the original names was based on a discarded script. The "official version" is what we all saw on the screens. Because not everyone plays the video game, reads the book, or reads the comic books. Even Bay said he ignores all that stuff - which is a clear signal to me that it shoudl pretty much be discarded.

 

Again the credits have Que as Que/Wheeljack which means Bay does at least knownledges and considers Que as beign Wheeljack. if he didnt he would had told the ones who made the credits to have him just as Que

 

The fact remains, no one in DotM referred to Que as Wheeljack. Que was very much Q from 007, designing supercool weapons and gadgets.

 

I'll just call them what other characters called them or called themselves.








Dino and Que.

 

yes that true.

again this is not the first time someone is credited by a name he's never named with in the film, look at venom and new goblin from Spider-Man 3, they are never reffered as Venom and New Goblin, yet they are credited as Eddie Brock/Venom and Harry Osborn/New Goblin and everyone seems to accept those names as valid names for the movie incarnations of those 2. despite never beign refered by those names

 

True. However, those two characters were obviously Venom and New Goblin - it's not like anyone was going to mistake Venom for Carnage or New Goblin for the Lizard or anything. But Dino was in no way, shape or form Mirage. He didn't act like Mirage, talk like Mirage, or act like Mirage - he was a completely different character. Same thing with Que. I didn't see anything about him that said "Wheeljack". If it wasn't for this site, I'd never have known that Que's character was supposed to be Wheeljack at one point.

 

This point should end all debate.

It won't. But it should.