Plot holes?

eagc7 · 05-07-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KingVile

there were problems in the Bay films, and plot holes, but the only one i hated was ROTF. And they retconned it away

ROTF was never retconned, DOTM gives refer to the film many times explaining ROTF still happened.

Aernaroth · 05-07-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerMirage

But would the shard have revived Optimus? It "re-awoke" a dormant Jetfire; but Optimus Prime is pretty much dead; extremely damaged and not getting up anytime soon. And if Optimus remained dead (or in critical stasis) forever, it would eliminate what is essentially the only thing in the universe that could stop The Fallen. Plus, The Fallen wouldn't have been able to activate the sun-harvester without the Matrix. But there's still that whole "My army of alien mercenaries and I took out an aircraft carrier in an attempt to slow our trajectory"-thing.

The Fallen and the 'Cons would still be a threat.

We're pretty much debating macguffins here, but seeing as N.E.S.T. had little trouble keeping Decepticons pretty well in check (and the human military handled themselves pretty well in egypt/jordan), the Fallen's forces seem much less dangerous without the ability to destroy the entire solar system. I guess there's also the idea of the Nemesis and the hatchlings, but that's something that wasn't really given much weight in ROTF or DOTM.

The "only a prime can stop a prime" thing was interesting, and I suppose it would necessitate the ressurrection of Optimus, but it clashes with the theme of "personal choice" in the Cybertronian conflict we see, and isn't given much thought in ROTF, especially given the Fallen really only does things at the very end of the film.

jametron · 05-07-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotshotprime43

Since i love the Bay Trilogy and will highly defend all 3 movies being the fact that TF1 and TF3 are my 2 favorite movies ever and TF2 is around the 5th to 10th spot i just want to clear up any problems people have with the "plot holes" from the series.

Anyways since the series gets alot of crap for this problem although all movies have a plot hole somewhere name a plot hole and using my own personal cannon or making some other points i will try to correct any plot holes people have.

Sso02V · 05-07-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Meta777

You know, if Optimus had been revived with the shard Mikeala had, then they never would have got Jetfire. Without Jetfire, they wouldn't have tracked down the Matrix, and without Jetfire, they never would have had a jetpack for Prime to go fly off and kill the Fallen with.

If Optimus has been revived with the shard Mikaela had, then Sam would've been captured by the government and turned over to The Fallen and the sun would explode.

adamid4 · 05-07-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Aernaroth

If they had never gotten Jetfire the matrix would have remained lost and the Fallen wouldn't have been an effective threat to humanity.

No Megatron would have hunted Sam down, cut out his brain to let the symbols lead him to the matrix, making the Fallen still a threat.

It was a race to get to the matrix before they could get to Sam, they needed Jetfire for that.

Slipstreamer 8 · 05-07-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by eagc7

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Aernaroth · 05-07-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by adamid4

No Megatron would have hunted Sam down, cut out his brain to let the symbols lead him to the matrix, making the Fallen still a threat.

It was a race to get to the matrix before they could get to Sam, they needed Jetfire for that.

Was there any indication the Fallen or the Decepticons would have had more luck piecing the knowledge in his head together, or making sense of it? It seemed the final location would have required a pretty good understanding of earth history and culture, which they didn't appear to have until DOTM.

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Public discussion of moderator decisions is not allowed. Suffice to say, she received too many infractions, I guess?

adamid4 · 05-07-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aernaroth

Was there any indication the Fallen or the Decepticons would have had more luck piecing the knowledge in his head together, or making sense of it? It seemed the final location would have required a pretty good understanding of earth history and culture, which they didn't appear to have until DOTM.

Public discussion of moderator decisions is not allowed. Suffice to say, she received too many infractions, I guess?

Jetfire or the Fallen would have been needed to translate the symbols, so yes there is an indication that the decepticons would have more "luck" on piecing the knowledge together.

The location of the matrix was based on stars and geography. The Fallen had to have had some familiarity with the geography of the planet, especially over the thousands of years since his arrival.