Do you think the omitted Autobots aren't part of the series anymore?

eagc7 · 05-04-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Shizuka

Very true. It's sad how ultimately Bay crumbled under the pressure of the risk of including them. Still, having an explanation as to what happened to some of the cast in a medium that a significant number of people don't have access to or are even unaware of is pretty silly. Plus it's unclear how much of the Transformers in the books, comics and games are actually canon to the movies.

The Novels and comics are mostly canon now thanks to john barber as he was able to fix all of the plot holes now from the prequels and films

NEST SOLDIER · 05-04-2012, 06:10 PM

IMO, I do not consider the comics canon with the films. They are a great way for fans to stay interested in that aspect of the franchise, but comics just don't fly in my book.

I agree that the twins are dead( as the novelization says they are) but Arcee and Jolt are another story.

eagc7 · 05-04-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NEST SOLDIER

IMO, I do not consider the comics canon with the films. They are a great way for fans to stay interested in that aspect of the franchise, but comics just don't fly in my book.

I agree that the twins are dead( as the novelization says they are) but Arcee and Jolt are another story.

Canon or not, Arcee and Jolt are dead, otherwise they would had been seen leaving with their fellwo Autobots to the Xanthium

FatalT 71 · 05-04-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shizuka

Very true. It's sad how ultimately Bay crumbled under the pressure of the risk of including them. Still, having an explanation as to what happened to some of the cast in a medium that a significant number of people don't have access to or are even unaware of is pretty silly. Plus it's unclear how much of the Transformers in the books, comics and games are actually canon to the movies.

They're not canon - they were based on an earlier script that got tossed out. If its on screen, it's canon. If it's not on screen, not canon.

eagc7 · 05-04-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FatalT 71

They're not canon - they were based on an earlier script that got tossed out. If its on screen, it's canon. If it's not on screen, not canon.

ur talking of the twins death or the comics/novels/games?

FatalT 71 · 05-04-2012, 06:20 PM

Comics/novels/games.

eagc7 · 05-04-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FatalT 71

Comics/novels/games.

okie dokie

Gingerchris · 05-05-2012, 10:47 AM

Unless they died on screen or someone or something within the actual films confirms they're dead then as far as the movies are concerned they're not dead. Comics and novels and even toy bios can do or say what they like but they're not the movies. The movies have the last say on the movies. When it comes to BayFormers the movies are the law.
The most we can assume is that they left to go elsewhere since they're not seen in the films or mentioned. But even then later movies can contradict earlier ones if they want to say the Twins were just kicking about NEST or whatever and everyone simply forgot about them during DotM.

scoobsterinc · 05-05-2012, 04:39 PM

The twins died I just read the DOTM novel this is what happened if people didnt know

Right after sentinel killed ironhide and went into a rage skidz attacked him then sentinel blasted him and killed him then mudflap went beserk and attacked sentinel and we all know what happens next mudflap got killed

(sorry if I got the twins mixed up)

Gingerchris · 05-06-2012, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by scoobsterinc

The twins died I just read the DOTM novel this is what happened if people didnt know

But the novels aren't the movies. If Bay decided for TF4 he wanted the Twins back somehow he'd have them back regardless of what some book had already said. If the novels were law to the movies then the end of the movie concerning Megatron would've been the same as the novel and apparently it wasn't.

Nice that some people can find answers to content themselves with in the supporting media for the movie but it's not the be-all and the next movie can easily override/ignore it if it wants to, so novels and comics and stuff shouldn't be taken as gospel.

05-04-2012, 06:10 PM	#22
NEST SOLDIER IRONHIDE'S DRIVER Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 966 Location: ON THE MOVE WITH MIRAGE AND SIDESWIPE Collection Count: 47, and counting!	IMO, I do not consider the comics canon with the films. They are a great way for fans to stay interested in that aspect of the franchise, but comics just don't fly in my book. I agree that the twins are dead( as the novelization says they are) but Arcee and Jolt are another story. "There'll be no more Hail Megatrons from you!"

05-05-2012, 10:47 AM	#28
Gingerchris Telly-headed Tyrant Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 11,639 Location: Beside the seaside, beside the sea... Collection Count: Probably more than my fair share	Unless they died on screen or someone or something within the actual films confirms they're dead then as far as the movies are concerned they're not dead. Comics and novels and even toy bios can do or say what they like but they're not the movies. The movies have the last say on the movies. When it comes to BayFormers the movies are the law. The most we can assume is that they left to go elsewhere since they're not seen in the films or mentioned. But even then later movies can contradict earlier ones if they want to say the Twins were just kicking about NEST or whatever and everyone simply forgot about them during DotM. Autobloke in everything but name.

05-05-2012, 04:39 PM	#29
scoobsterinc Scoobs Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,322 Location: England Collection Count: 62 News Credits: 2	The twins died I just read the DOTM novel this is what happened if people didnt know Right after sentinel killed ironhide and went into a rage skidz attacked him then sentinel blasted him and killed him then mudflap went beserk and attacked sentinel and we all know what happens next mudflap got killed (sorry if I got the twins mixed up)