Ironhide should have died in the first shot

Dinobot747 · 03-06-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by alekesam

Speaking of which, Jazz should be able to come back since being torn in two wouldn't necessarily damage his Spark chamber.

I the novel (was it the novel, or the comic?) Megs apparently ate Jazz's spark. That is what I like to beleive happened in the movie.

Minh'T · 03-06-2012, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ceasar121

^ Dude, the scale and rate of damage it takes to kill in the movies is all over the place. There is not definitive amount of pain or damage it takes to kill... as he said, Ironhide should have been dead on the first shot if the spark = heart. Likewise, once Frenzy became a headless wonder he should have died... but he didn't. How is the head of a Long Haul surviving as Igor?

For that matter, how does OPtimus Prime still have a chest? Getting blasted point blank range should have obliterated his mid section... there should be no spark chamber to repower.

When you try to have a serious discussion about what kills and what doesn't in the movies, it's gonna keep raising issues. Ironhide didn't die in the first shot, because it didn't serve the purpose of the plot or the gory nature of his death they wanted to show... not cause he's tough or his park chamber was missed or anything other than that.

First i think Frenzy is different. I think His spark is on his head maybe i think. Maybe the same thing is happened with Igor

Yeah true I agree with you about the chest thing. There should have no spark chamber to repower.

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Ironhide didn't die in the first shot, because it didn't serve the purpose of the plot or the gory nature of his death they wanted to show

This is what i meant. They are too hard on Ironhide.

seekerblackout · 03-06-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Minh'T

Optimus will never die if Megatron didn't blast throught his chest and destroy his spark if you don't believe me this is my other clues.

Really? Do you have proof?

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Que still alive and after The Protoform blast him and impale his right chest. Don't tell me that he will die soon because if he is going to die he won't be able to talk and he will die right after that blast because that's a big damge for him
http://hq55.com/sh/trans3/trans3-sup....com-15425.jpg

When did it go through his body? I saw him get shot in his chest. And how wouldn't he be able to talk? His vocal processors weren't hit, and Optimus talked even after being shot through the chest.

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Second clue Megatron still alive after Optimus Break his face because Megatron's brain is not effected

That's simply because he got UNBELIEVIBLY lucky.

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And all i want to said before is there is no vein inside of Transformers's body. So Jazz cannot die after Meg ripped him apart

Then how does the Energon in their bodies flow? And how do we know that every transformer's spark is in the same area? And yes, there are COUNTLESS ways for how Jazz could die from that.
-Spark could have been torn apart
-Could've leaked to death instantly
-Could have had fatal wires torn
etc. etc.

Minh'T · 03-06-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dinobot747

I the novel (was it the novel, or the comic?) Megs apparently ate Jazz's spark. That is what I like to beleive happened in the movie.

Yeah it is kind of cool too. Btw Beeis still alive after he was shot and turn into 2 pieces in The comic too but he is still alive after all but the samething doesn't happen with jazz

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...quels/tf33.jpg

Minh'T · 03-06-2012, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerblackout

Really? Do you have proof?

When did it go through his body? I saw him get shot in his chest. And how wouldn't he be able to talk? His vocal processors weren't hit, and Optimus talked even after being shot through the chest.

That's simply because he got UNBELIEVIBLY lucky.

Then how does the Energon in their bodies flow? And how do we know that every transformer's spark is in the same area? And yes, there are COUNTLESS ways for how Jazz could die from that.
-Spark could have been torn apart
-Could've leaked to death instantly
-Could have had fatal wires torn
etc. etc.

I think you are trying to turn this into an argument, so the best way to prevent this is shut up and stop posting. I give you every resonable evidence. Stop opposing them

seekerblackout · 03-06-2012, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Minh'T

I think you are trying to turn this into an argument, so the best way to prevent this is shut up and stop posting. I give you every resonable evidence. Stop opposing them

You didn't give me ANY evidence. At all.

Minh'T · 03-06-2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerblackout

You didn't give me ANY evidence. At all.

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the best way to prevent this is shut up and stop posting

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seekerblackout · 03-06-2012, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Minh'T

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No, I will not. I am trying to discuss something logical, and telling me to shut up is not discussing a damned thing.

Silk Spectre · 03-06-2012, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ceasar121

^ Dude, the scale and rate of damage it takes to kill in the movies is all over the place. There is not definitive amount of pain or damage it takes to kill... as he said, Ironhide should have been dead on the first shot if the spark = heart. Likewise, once Frenzy became a headless wonder he should have died... but he didn't. How is the head of a Long Haul surviving as Igor?

For that matter, how does OPtimus Prime still have a chest? Getting blasted point blank range should have obliterated his mid section... there should be no spark chamber to repower.

When you try to have a serious discussion about what kills and what doesn't in the movies, it's gonna keep raising issues. Ironhide didn't die in the first shot, because it didn't serve the purpose of the plot or the gory nature of his death they wanted to show... not cause he's tough or his park chamber was missed or anything other than that.

This. Absolutely.

They chose to do it how they wanted to do it - logic need not apply.

This is similar to the issues of the fight scenes: a character's too weak, then the character's too strong, etc....

There are no continuity/consistency rules in these movies with things like this.

Barricade24 · 03-06-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerblackout

No, I will not. I am trying to discuss something logical, and telling me to shut up is not discussing a damned thing.

Didn't you tell him to shut up? So in a way, this is kind of ironic.

On topic here, I have noticed that one transformer is ripped in half--Jazz--and another has the same experience--Mixmaster. So how can one die from being ripped in half and the other not? Well we know Mixmaster was sliced in half by Jetfire and got his head kicked off and yet I believe he survived. Think about it if your like Frenzy you can survive without your body. But that also brings into account Grindor. How could he survive this? Answer: he didn't. Why? Well if your head is still intact you can still operate. But remember that Optimus literally ripped his head in half. So that is not to say his spark was in his head but Grindor basically lost his brain. Without a brain or processor in this case how can you function?

As for Ironhide, it looked like Sentinel shot a little higher above the spark and didn't directly hit it. So that could be why Ironhide didn't die in the first shot. It also could be that the weapon wasn't at full power and didn't impact as much damage as it could. I would also like to note that Ironhide is a tough Autobot so naturally one shot wouldn't be enough to take him down. And second, Ironhide died from rust not a shot. But the rust consumed his spark.