Ironhide should have died in the first shot

Because Mixmaster's spark wasn't hit and he didn't have time to leak to death?
They weren't "too hard" on him.

Yup, that's what i mean Samething with Jazz in TF1. And i don't think he will dead if Jetfire only cut him, he still very strong after that

Actually, Jazz's spark WAS ripped in half.

Are there any differences? His spark wasn't hit too. They just want Jazz to die that's all

If not, then Megs hit an energon vein and he bled to death instantly.

Actually there is no vein if u remember in ROTF. Optimus stabs Megatron in the stomach but he didn't die because the only ways to kill a transformer is destroy his spark or his head. Also Optimus didn't die when Megatron impale his chest not until Meg blast throught it

http://hq55.com/sh/trans2/transf2-su...s.com-7258.jpg
http://hq55.com/sh/trans2/transf2-su...s.com-7319.jpg

You don't know how this works. Megatron has super thick armor, he can't be killed in one stab. And Optimus WOULD have died even if he wasn't shot. Just not the second he got stabbed.

^ Dude, the scale and rate of damage it takes to kill in the movies is all over the place. There is not definitive amount of pain or damage it takes to kill... as he said, Ironhide should have been dead on the first shot if the spark = heart. Likewise, once Frenzy became a headless wonder he should have died... but he didn't. How is the head of a Long Haul surviving as Igor?

For that matter, how does OPtimus Prime still have a chest? Getting blasted point blank range should have obliterated his mid section... there should be no spark chamber to repower.

When you try to have a serious discussion about what kills and what doesn't in the movies, it's gonna keep raising issues. Ironhide didn't die in the first shot, because it didn't serve the purpose of the plot or the gory nature of his death they wanted to show... not cause he's tough or his park chamber was missed or anything other than that.

Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP Why do they keep posing him like he's the Kool Aid Man?

Again, perhaps it missed his spark. We don't really know where in the chest his spark was.

Optimus will never die if Megatron didn't blast throught his chest and destroy his spark if you don't believe me this is my other clues.

Que still alive and after The Protoform blast him and impale his right chest. Don't tell me that he will die soon because if he is going to die he won't be able to talk and he will die right after that blast because that's a big damge for him
http://hq55.com/sh/trans3/trans3-sup....com-15425.jpg
Second clue Megatron still alive after Optimus Break his face because Megatron's brain is not effected

And all i want to said before is there is no vein inside of Transformers's body. So Jazz cannot die after Meg ripped him apart