What Was Wrong W/ ROTF?

eagc7 · 04-29-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by QLRformer

1.DOTM had obvious plotholes from the previous films (the Allspark powering Cybertron, Soundwave’s new arrival in ROTF, Mikaela’s breakup after her declaration of love for Sam) that mucked it up.

- Optimus Prime getting killed and resurrected again. They could have just put him into a coma, where no one is sure if he’ll survive; a period of uncertainty and panic, like when Don Corleone was gunned down. (A minor issue though, since they killed Megatron and revived him they had to do the same for Prime as it was more TFTM-esque and fanwanky)

for Soundwave, He left earth in the 70s, but he returned to earth in 2007, thats why.

and actually that was the original idea for Optimus, he was going to be in stasis lock, but the idea was scrapped and they killed him

Barricade24 · 04-29-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by unicronic

All 3 movies have similar strengths and similar flaws. The major MAJOR recurring flaw is how Decepticon's could be defeated so easily yet the Autobots actually lost a war on Cybertron.

All of them except for Brawl. He is really the only Decepticon to not get gunned down bu humans so quickly and not be ripped apart by Optimus.

But yeah I agree humans really shouldn't be able to kill cons. Like, at all.

hthrun · 04-30-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Barricade24

But yeah I agree humans really shouldn't be able to kill cons. Like, at all.

I disagree. Using proper equipment I don't see any reason why they couldn't. It's on par with humans killing larger animals, and smaller animals killing humans.

TRANS+CRAZY · 04-30-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Barricade24

But yeah I agree humans really shouldn't be able to kill cons. Like, at all.

I agree as well. Enough with the humans killing the 'Cons already. The 'Cons are supposed to be strong, a real threat. Leave the 'Con killing to the Autobots please.

Philip164 · 04-30-2012, 11:10 AM

I have no problem with ROTF, I have a problem with DOTM ignoring it though.

Ruination04 · 04-30-2012, 11:46 AM

I actually like ROTF. My biggest complaint out of all three movies is th eunused potential they had. Lots of un-named bots. Didn't know who they were. Bots would scan a vehicle, drive off and are never seen again. No battle of the vehicles between Prime & Megatron, Bumblebee/Barricade, Sideswipe/Sideways, etc. The driller was stupid and just used for special effects. That spot coulda went towards a real Decepticon. It's what Devastator shoulda done. They could've left out the "pretender" in ROTF.

Other than that, then all three movies are good.

ThatCrazyGuy · 04-30-2012, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by unicronic

All 3 movies have similar strengths and similar flaws. The major MAJOR recurring flaw is how Decepticon's could be defeated so easily yet the Autobots actually lost a war on Cybertron.

I feel this way as well. The way the Decepticons are depicted does not make them menacing. I never felt them as a threat to anything, just cannon fodder for the bots to kill. Maybe Megs in TF1 was kinda menacing. The like the way the bots scattered when Megatron arrived on the scene, "o shit, it's him", lol.

How DID they lose that war on Cybertron, haha.

hthrun · 05-01-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Philip164

I have no problem with ROTF, I have a problem with DOTM ignoring it though.

How did DotM ignore RotF? There were a lot of carry overs from RotF, including the state of Megatron and the Decepticons, Sam getting the medal from Obama and his being wanted by the FBI, and Wheelie being with the Autobots...

seekerblackout · 05-01-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Barricade24

But yeah I agree humans really shouldn't be able to kill cons. Like, at all.

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Originally Posted by TRANS+CRAZY

I agree as well. Enough with the humans killing the 'Cons already. The 'Cons are supposed to be strong, a real threat. Leave the 'Con killing to the Autobots please.

Good to know you guys think humans should be completely useless and that we should only get equal robot on robot action, instead of seeing clever strategies like we got in DOTM.

unicronic · 05-01-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hthrun

How did DotM ignore RotF? There were a lot of carry overs from RotF, including the state of Megatron and the Decepticons, Sam getting the medal from Obama and his being wanted by the FBI, and Wheelie being with the Autobots...

But a HUGE oversight was that the Megatron-Sentinel Prime plot (origins date to during Cybertronian War) directly conflicts with The Fallen's plot to harvest Earth's sun.

In short, if The Fallen had succeeded, Sentinel Prime would have been forever stuck on the moon.

Neither plans could exist at the same time, it's a HUGE hole.

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