Takedown, Shakedown: Paramount pulls T3 filming videos from YouTube

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by zztopeurope, Jul 27, 2010.

  1. ginrai

    ginrai lost with no way home.

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    Just one more thing to hate the movies for.. first.. gross misuse of US Army, Navy, and Airforce personal and Property regardless of it it can count as a ' Training exercise' or Paramount pays for it.. and then to claim they have some sort of right to film shot on public streets in a major US metropolis?

    Maybe people should upload them to Wikileaks.. since we can't seem to touch them.
     
  2. MTME

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    Uh..that's wo-man ......please tell me there are other females on the boards?? as old as me of course (32)

    and no I'm not offended much love!! lol
     
  3. billcosby

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    Haha! Good call. :D 
     
  4. VaderPrime1

    VaderPrime1 Prepare for termination!

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    Can someone post a link to an article that explains that a video taken with a personal camera becomes that persons property? I can't seem to find one, but I have seen one before... or does someone know the law that this falls under?

    I think this is ridiculous that even though we paid for the camera, what goes in it has the possibility of being owned by someone else. (if that is true and there isn't a law stating that the photographer owns the material)

    I would like to read the article and bookmark it for future reference and proof.


    EDIT: good thing i downloaded the videos I thought were best when the went up - Shhhhhhhhhh :thumbs2:  :lol  - I have a folder on my desktop of every pic that has leaked along with those videos :D  I knew Paramount was going to pull this BS like Viacom did a while back - they should be the ones being taken down!!!
     
  5. Santoanderson

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    This all reminds me of a baseball game.

    This all reminds me of this one time I went to a baseball game. It wasn't the majors; hell, I don't even think it was AAA. But the team had a field.

    I sat between a pair of nutjobs in the bleachers who both had cameras out on tripods, filming the game. Pretty soon the guy with the older, lower-tech camera started bitching and shouting at the other guy, filming the game with this expensive looking DSLR. The cry-baby pointed out that he was the team's 'Official Videographer' and that only he is allowed to film the game, and if anyone else even tries, they're breaking the law. To further prove his point he pulled out his team-ID, his home made press-pass, and waved over one of the concession guys to support his claims.

    The DSLR guy simply said, "I'm in a public place, and this is a free country." he then reached into his jacket pocket, pulled out one of these, and showed it to the "Official Videographer", and that was that. I recommend that all you budding unofficial videographers do the same thing to YouTube.
     
  6. Tekfreak

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    yay for mine being on photobucket and facebokk mwahahahaha
     
  7. VaderPrime1

    VaderPrime1 Prepare for termination!

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    ^^^ Genius!!!
     
  8. Jimmy88

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    Hell yeah man mine are up on facebook and photobucket as well, Im going to upload the vids to photobucket and facebook soon:)  that is if "you know who" doesnt get to them first......
     
  9. vektsilver

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    its shocking how large companies violate or try to violate laws.

    They know full well that is within public domain if they are shootin in the streets of a city where you can see anything going on form the general public is not a illegal. If they were in a private lot and you had to break in to see it thats illegal.

    If they were on a private lot but you could take video from the public streets next to it that is still fair game.

    I hope people arent scared by paramount because all that footage is not copyright unless it comes from the cameras of paramount directly other wise its public footage that can be viewed by anyone the original photographer chooses be it youtube or otherwise.

    This is just a paramount scare tactic to get people to remove stuff.
     
  10. rodimal

    rodimal Let's destroy Decepticons

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    Should of known this was going to happen sooner or later. But what of the videos from Summer 2008? Come on now. I think this is a lame excuse on their part. Just like what Disney pulled at the beginning of the year too.
     
  11. Noideaforaname

    Noideaforaname Pico, let's go up to Zuma

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    I'm not an expert on filming laws, but I'd imagine the areas Paramount is filming in are effectively their (temporary) private property. While it's not their final movie, it IS their sets, props, actors, dialogue, script, etc. etc.. I'd imagine they get some kind of rights concerning film privileges.

    Security letting people pass does not make it legal, might I add.
     
  12. Dran0n

    Dran0n miss me w/ that

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    Eh, it was fun while it lasted.
     
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    Without signs or people anouncing no filming, it's all legal, so long as they aren't selling the footage, since the scenes being filmed are of an actual movie set and the videographers do not have the permission of the studio, nor do they have release permits of any actors involved, nor the studio. News outlets get away with it because they are editorial agencies, and many times there is a compliance regulation anyway, where someone from the studio okays the footage to be aired.

    YouTube taking it down is all their consent, as Dreamworks doesn't actually have any legality in this matter, but YouTube doesn't want to lose a paying customer, since Dreamworks does have an official channel on YouTube that they pay for.
     
  14. billcosby

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    *Sigh.* Filming laws are so confusing.

    I can take a photo of someone in a public place. I can do that.
    But I can't publish it without their permission. Well, I can but I shouldn't.
    Then the person in the photo if they see it can send me a cease and desist because I don't have their permission.
    If something unlikely happened (that person lost their job or something unholy because of the photo I've used) where the subject can prove damages in court, then and only then could I be sued but it's a lengthy, expensive process that the plaintiff must be absolutely certain to win in order to retain lawyers and get the ball rolling. You can't just sue someone because it sounds like fun. It's expensive and very time consuming.

    In this case, the owner of the intellectual property has their subjects in plain view. I think they don't have a case. This is an example of "the man" (Paramount) bullying the little guy (fans with cams) and I don't like it one bit.

    I would encourage YouTube account holders with their videos in limbo to let YouTube know these videos were filmed in a public place and not subject to DCMA. It's unreasonable.

    Can anyone post word for word what the DCMA notices were?

    Any armchair lawyers out there who feel I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, these legal issues are complicated.
     
  15. Doug

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    I think it is too late for them to remove the videos. Most of us has seen them already.:wink: 
     
  16. RedAlert Rescue

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    I'd have thought you might need a permit from the land owner to film in certain circumstances, I know if you cause a public nuiscence or interfere with the Traffic you would - you might get away with it though if you are not interfering with anyone else.

    As for a Baseball game I'd have thought as you or Private property the could set whatever policy they like - Supermarkets don't like you filming in them for example.

    If it's a public park having a sports game I don't think there's any way someone could stop you from filming.

    People are likely to get ratty with a stranger filming their children though - I know it's very silly but in the UK you can't even film your kids school play without the written permission of everyone in it's parents.

    I think Paramount might have a legitimate argument if someone wandered on set but if someone stuck a camera out of their own window I think they'd be looking a bit stupid to stop that.

    I have heard of videos of excited queues before concerts being taken off Youtube so so pretty bizarre stuff gets banned.

    I'D RECOMMEND ASKING YOUTUBE FOR A WRITTEN CONFIRMATION AS TO WHY THEY THINK THE VIDEOS ARE AGAINST POLICY ?

    And if any Transfans are Lawyers to send counter proposals at them to unban them for the reasons that many were shot in public street from people own apartments or on public streets.

    If Bay wants to drive Optimus Prime around on public roads how can Paramount complain if people film him ? (he's not on a closed set) or private property.
     
  17. Starscreamownz

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    They're owned by Viacom. So if Youtube doesn't remove the videos they get daddy Viacom to put a stick in youtubes tail pipe. And youtube doesn't do anything because their parent company Google doesn't want to get tangled up in legal shit.

    Even though Viacom is the one coming pretty damn close to infringing on our 1st amendment rights
     
  18. vektsilver

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    bingo.!!!!!

    even if they rent the street it doesnt make it private you can view the entire thing from any non private location and that is completely legal. There have been debates about this because people dont like being photographed by strangers in public but it is all with in the rights unless its on private property and you have to trespass or violate measures taken to secure privacy.

    just to give you a relative example taking photos of stars on location at any movie has never had a court case. Stars being filmed and photog'ed on the streets by paparazzi is completely legal as well.
     
  19. Chopperface

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    Paramount's not loosing any money here. Pretty silly, but they're crying their eyes out right now, and will go genocidal on things and videos like this.
     
  20. iamnotgreg

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    Popular video

    So for the first time since youtube changed over (and I am on a new account)
    they offered me a profit sharing thing due to the popularity of one of my transformer videos - oddly enough it hasn't had all that many hits (6k now.. was 5k when they sent the invite)

    I saw some wording on there that made me nervous - and in looking came across this thread...

    This is what gets me

    I got this from youtube
    so you click the tutorial and you get the following
    Now technically I think filming from my office window should be legal.. right?
    but - with all this takedown crap going on.. Can they really do that? I guess they have all the lawyers so they can do whatever they want.
    I don't think I am going to do it - having a fun video up is worth more than the 5 to 10 bucks I might make in "profit sharing" in any case - what's your take on the wording there?

    Just got a call from my wife this morning, she was an hour and a half late for work due to transformers filming - which meant she got in the garage after "early bird rates" which means parking went from 12$ to 30$ for the day - I imagine they aren't gonna help me out any... good thing they can just buy our city up by giving money to our corrupt ass mayor.. bah.

    In any case her office is on the south side of 300 S Riverside - overlooking the old post office (non chicagoans may remember it as the bank in the new batman movie) - they are filming in there today and they closed off her side of the office - she works 10' from the windows and is not allowed to walk past the windows.. wth?!

    in any case this is the video - take a look before it gets yanked.. maybe?

    YouTube - Bumblebee and The Army making their way down the mean streets of Chicago.