Was ROTF Shakespear? Maybe...

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  1. aussiehippy

    aussiehippy Au contraire, Blackadder.

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    Are you all on crack? It's obvious to me that Willy Shakespeare crossed over from the other side and wrote ROTF using Orci and Kurtzman as his vessels on this plane.

    Just observe the similarities between ROTF and his epic Macbeth (*Hot potato, orchestra stalls, pluck to make amends*):

    Macbeth = Optimus Prime - fresh from his victory against Norway, er, I mean Megatrons forces.
    Banquo = Sam, his ally.
    The witches = the matrix, or more properly, the primes' spirits that reside in it, which prophecies Optimus's power up transformation.

    Macbeth's wife is Megatron, who secretly plots to overthrow King Duncan - The Fallen.

    Optimus Prime kills the Fallen - ergo, ROTF is macbeth.

    I rest my case.
     
  2. McBradders

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  3. aussiehippy

    aussiehippy Au contraire, Blackadder.

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    For my next essay I shall be comparing the Star Wars prequels with Homer's work.
     
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    Saying that ROTF had no plot is inaccurate. It had a plot, and the plot was a steaming pile of dung.
     
  5. ngnikolaos

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    ..... I knew it!!!!
     
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    That film is 100 million times better than ROTF could ever hope to be. And I LOVED ROTF.
     
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    "Friends, Romans, Countrymen...............you gotta blend in like a ninja"

    "Now is the winter of our discontent...........Autobots, let's roll!"

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    Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the Construticons of war,
    That this foul deed shall smell above Cybertron
    With carrion Autobots, groaning for burial.
     
  9. Ethereal

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    aussiehippy, I'm going to be printing this out as a flawless justification to show ROTF to my English classes when it comes time to read Macbeth.

    I find a way to merge my hobby with my work, and the students get to watch explosions and write comparisons. Win-flippin'-win.
     
  10. smkspy

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    What's his point though? That ROTF may be Shakespeare, but then again that it may not? That he's using the word Shakespeare as a signifier in a comparison, but doesn't really mean Shakespeare as the actual comparison. Ultimately, I get his point that ROTF isn't as bad story as most have complained, but it's still horrible and inappropiate to use Shakespeare as a standard of comparison. William Shakespeare deserves better than that.
     
  11. Boardwise

    Boardwise There are no strings on me Veteran

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    Homer Simpson?

    As for the original post... I am lost for words.
    Except one. No.
     
  12. Ethereal

    Ethereal A Sad Flareon

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    Don't you see the parallels between Star Wars and Homer's job as a nuclear safety technician?
     
  13. aussiehippy

    aussiehippy Au contraire, Blackadder.

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    I actually think Homer Simpson might have written the dialogue for those films.

    "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo"
     
  14. DeathsHead

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    Thank you. You managed to form a concise reply to a certain poster that otherwise would've had me going out into the street and shooting myself in despair...

    Oooh, I dunno...have you read 'The Da Vinci Code' ?:wink: 
     
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    Nope. Didn't like the movie though.
     
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    I think you're overlooking a certain widely-held viewpoint (whether it's valid or not is impossible to verify, due to the subjectivity of the matter). Anything can suck, but some things have a better chance of sucking than others. Looking within a medium itself, film adaptations of video games are almost all terrible. Given the string of ridiculously bad game movies over the past decade and a half, I don't think it's out of line to say that a randomly selected video game adaptation has a better chance of sucking than a randomly selected movie that is not a game adaptation. Now widen the scope from genres to media themselves: do you honestly believe a book has the same chance of sucking as a movie, or do you think that the proportion of bad movies is greater than that of bad books?
     
  17. Xaxis

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    Shakespear? Hmm... maybe in the opening scene.

    Ba-dum-dum ching!
     
  18. Infil

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    We've gone from literature to statistics. A very academic thread indeed.
     
  19. DeathsHead

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    Yes, I think that books have equally as much chance to be sucky as films.

    However, many more books are published each year than films are released (even including those that vanish or end up direct to DVD) so the volume is greater from which to judge 'the suck'. Quite a lot of these books may reach a smaller audience than many of the films and thus are less likely to be subjected to comparisons.

    Of course books do have the advantage that the readers imagination supplies so much more than is required when watching a movie.

    It is not suprising that game adaptations continue to disappoint - most lack much in the way of story that isn't already cliched beyond belief or stolen from other films and books. The few that do have solid, original narrative structures usually depend very much upon the involvement of the player and therefore fail to function as stand alone works without a serious amount of new material being created. For some reason most studios seem loathe/too lazy to attempt to do this with any finesse (but hey, Hollywood hates a writer...)
     
  20. johnboy3434

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    True, true. Also, the few games with stories involved enough to make a good movie often end up being movies in their own right, only with periods where you have to press a button or something. I exaggerate, but not by much. Probably the best example are the recent Metal Gear Solid games. The stories of those were probably better than the vast majority of the films made in their respective years. However, this is largely due to the fact that the games feel like one giant goddamn cutscene.

    Hell, the developers are obviously aware of this, because one of games was rereleased with a DVD of all the cutscenes simply presented as a movie, and it made perfect sense. Seriously, the gameplay was completely peripheral to the story. I'd be angry if I didn't love the series so much.