So Prime got one single change and Bee isn't a terrible sissie anymore. What's the problem? Prime is still THE PRIME and Bumblebee is still HUMAN'S FAVORITE YELLOW ROBOT. It's not the exact same, but it's not the HERESY LIFE TURNED UPSIDE DOWN that people claim.
Can´t you say something yourself instead of just echoing the other posts time and time again? I notice this is a trend of yours. Anyways, turning Bumblebee from an annoying wuss into a dedicated soldier was one of the best things the Bayverse did. G1 BB kinda sucked and was pretty much useless in the war.
Ah, see, but this is where the different universe thing comes into play. Demolishor was not an honorable fighter like Dinobot. And don't give me the "they were minding their own business" bit 'cause that's bull and you know it lol. The Decepticons in the movie-verse are actual legitimate threats, and even when they're just sitting around minding their own business now, when Megatron comes back you know they're gonna start wreaking havoc. Better to take 'em out now then when they have the confidence of having their leader back. And we all knew Prime was gonna destroy Megatron in the G1 movie if Hot Rod hadn't interfered.
Yea man, I see the shift and agree 100 percent. That was not Prime (although he was the closest) The rest were not the same at all. Megatron has no Master and would bow to nobody. Bumble Bee was way off. That is very subjective. I doubt Prime would of pulled the trigger even if Hot Rod never jumped in. But some may disagree I never once thought, even as a kid Prime would of pulled the trigger.
Monumental? While the film made some changes I did not find them so great that they ruined the characters for me. Prime killing a Decepticon? One that just destroyed several blocks of Chinese land? Did it ever come to mind that Prime, in an effort to make sure Decepticons do as little damage to humans as possible, wanted to get rid of them quickly? It was one kill. Many are making him out to be an executioner, which I think is absurd. You don't think Prime is still the same, go watch his dialogue scene on top of the Observatory in TF1, or his talk with Sam at the graveyard in TF2. That for me is Prime. Bumblebee still is smaller and less powerful than most Decepticons. I find even more bravery in him taking them on, even when he's lost his legs. Just because Bee didn't fight in G1 doesn't mean he should sit back and do nothing in ROTF. Again, a change but not a major one. Decepticons, I'll give you that. But in a modernized, more realistic version of the classic show, you're saying that there should be less action? I understand how many fans want a very G1-esque universe for the movies. But such a thing as the general audience exists. I'm happy that the filmmakers have crafted something that can appeal to everyone without making too many concessions that would turn off fans.
To those bitching about Prime killing Demolisher, remember to read Talles of the Fallen: Sideswipe. Demolisher got what he deserved.
I'm thankful. I got Transformers in live-action. Five years ago that's be a pipe-dream. How could I not be?
I actually liked it. Then again I'm nota GI Joe fan, so I didn't know the characters, but much like the first TF, it fully accepted itself as a movie based off a toy and didn't try to restrain itself from big, loud, dumb fun.
I think if the changes are good or bad is something that up to each fan. But I think we have enough to say that like every Transformers series these Transformers are different than other Transformers with the same name. Sort of like how you could point to things G1 and Animated Prime shared, but they were still very different characters. Transformers tend to reflect the norms for the time they were made and the form of media used. G1 reflected the norms for heroes and villains in cartoons and comic books back in the '80s. The live action movies reflect the norms for Hollywood's current ideas about heroes and villains. Heck I'm willing to bet when Hasbro shows off the next cartoon that it will fit the standards of heroes and villains in current cartoons instead of the standards from back in the '80s.
True, but in the movieverse (for the five original Autobots, and Starscream and Soundwave) I think it goes farther than just reusing the name. While we may debate just how alike to the G1 characters they are, there is no doubt that at their core they had some basis on their G1 selves. A case of same name, different characters is something like G1 and Energon Ironhide. And I surely feel that Movie Prime is much more similar to G1 Prime than Animated Prime. And it's more than just having the same voice actor.
I would agree there is some basis on the G1 persona of the characters. How much they are alike and how they are different will always be a matter of debate.
Other then some minor similarities, Like Bubblebee being Yellow, Prime Being a Truck and Megatron being the Leader of the bad guys there wasn't much alike. When in any part of the TF Universe was Bumblebee an ass kicking warrior. Or Prime a executioner, Or Megatron a lacky to another Supreme Boss? I sometimes wonder if people who say they are alike even watched G1. I'm not trying to start any wars but come on guys. To say they are alike is a reach. Its a totally different take on the mythology. Really though, who cares? The Movie and G1 is totally different thing. Other then being RObots that Transform they not alike. Minor Similarities.
Why is it that when someone starts a thread like this & people who didn't like the movies come in and start saying bad stuff about them no-one bats an eyelid, and yet if someone starts a thread about how great G1 was & someone so much as dares say they didn't like it they get jumped on and flamed?
This is where I completely, undoubtedly, wholeheartedly disagree. Prime is FAR from an executioner. Why? I'm not going to repeat it. Go back and read my prior posts. And I dare say that Prime's wisdom, heroism, and compassion towards humans hasn't been stressed enough. Because he actually kills a bad guy for once (Because he obviously could do so in a children's cartoon in which NO ONE died) makes him a heartless beast? Why can't Bumblebee get some action? You want him just to sit in the background doing nothing? Besides, his courageous battling is just highlighting his devotion to protecting Sam, which if I recall, WAS a major trait of his in G1. Megatron? Okay. I'll give you him; a little displeased with him totally submitting to the Fallen. But I find it hard to believe that you feel these characters have barely anything in common. It's posts like these which ruin a perfectly civilized and friendly debate. You can't make any concessions to the other side, can you? I'd like to know too. Whoever can answer this wins the multiverse.
And, just want to point this out. The scene in which the Autobots are on top of the Observatory in TF1, discussing Bumblebee's fate and the human race, less than two minutes in length, proved to me that Prime was the Optimus I love. (I'll post a YT link to it, just want to make sure, does it count as bootleg? I don't want to break the rules)
Well, I totally disagree with you. Whats the problem with that. I seen the movies, I also seen all the posts. I'm ok with disagreeing but I posted how i seen it. Why dose that ruin a friendly debate? Let say if there was never a comic or cartoon..The movie came out and spawned the G1 version of the transformers cartoon. HOw would you look at it? You properly would seen the difference. Again, it really doesn't matter if there are different dose it?
