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Originally Posted by Digilaut 
If he ends up executing the bad guy, he ends up doing what he resents the most: killing.
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Except that to you, all killing is the same.
All killing is NOT the same:
Murder: : the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing another under circumstances defined by statute (as with premeditation); especially : such a crime committed purposely, knowingly, and recklessly with extreme indifference to human life
The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse.
That is NOT the same as Batman of Rorscach offing the Joker or some serial killer.
That's what you may call justifiable homicide: justifiable homicide in criminal law stands on the dividing line between an excuse, justification and an exculpation. In other words, it takes a case that would otherwise have been a murder or another crime representing intentional killing, and either excuses or justifies the individual accused from all criminal liability or treats the accused differently from other intentional killers
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Originally Posted by Digilaut Who's to say Batman's parents were nice people? Some of the more recent comics seems to suggest his father wasn't that nice a person..so maybe the thug killed his parents to 'get even', maybe for an injustice that had been done to him by Batman's parents. This isn't true for Batman, but something like this could happen in real life. Your parents could be criminals..does that make it right for you if they get killed? |
Is it fair for me that my parents are out commiting homicide?
Would it be any more or less fair for me if they were arrested?
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Originally Posted by Digilaut No, because they're your parents and even though they are criminals you probably love them. |
It looks an aweful lot like you are arguing that not only should my parents NOT be killed, but that they should not even be arrested either.
If it is unfair for me if Batman takes my parents away by killing them
then how is it more fair for me if the police take my parents away by arresting them?
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Originally Posted by Digilaut Two wrongs still don't make a right |
You are still counting too many wrongs. Besides- allowing a criminal to kill again is even more wrong.
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Originally Posted by Digilaut And Rorschach's vision is just one vision of many. I must say I am intrigued by the character (very well written motives), and I even agree up to a point. But in the end, I still believe in justice, even though we do not have the sufficient means to back that up. |
Well good- now you are starting to agree with me.
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Originally Posted by Digilaut ** BUT - let's be honest here..if somebody would kill my family, yes, I'd go nuts and go after them with the intent to kill. That's instinct and alot of hate. But I also feel that it is not right ** |
Actually, Rorschac put the felon away just the way a "non-murdering" good guy should do- beat them up and let the (in)Justice System have them. The thug manipulated the system and was set free, in which case he killed again. Rorscach found the remains of the girl that the thug killed and realized that he was partially responsible for her death. When Rorscach was done, the thug wasn't going to kill any more little girls to feed her remains to her dog.
YOU think what Rorscach did was bad.
I think he did right.
You would have him arrested again- claim illness, seek therapy and be released again- to kill again.
I fail to see the morality or justice in that- and I don't give a damn if it's legal.
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Originally Posted by Digilaut Batman has murdered a person, somebody who has done bad deeds, but not against Batman personally. So is he allowed kill that person so society can be safe?.. |
Except that Batman hasn't murdered anyone. And yes- by offing a homicidal or serial killer society is safer and unburdoned.
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Originally Posted by Digilaut You have stated that killing a killer as retaliation. |
No I haven't. I've stated that killing a killer is a matter of justice.
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Originally Posted by Digilaut or because he might end up being another thread to society, |
No, not "might end up". It's "already is".
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Originally Posted by Digilaut If the legal system in place decides a criminal is too dangerous to be allowed on the streets, they will have to see fit that he is either incarcerated for good, or given the death penalty. |
A lot of god it was for Batman who had to keep catching homicides with multiple murders under their belts.
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Originally Posted by Digilaut Somebody executing a criminal on site is just as much murder as a criminal robbing a bank and killing somebody on his escape . |
Nope- not the same. There are often legal matters about justifiable homicide which will eitherget you a lighter sentence or having all charges dropped altogether. Usually it depends if the District Attorney chooses to view the case.
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Originally Posted by Digilaut If you agree to live in a human society, you must accept the laws, and you can't step over the line to get to a criminal, because in your way of ignoring the laws. it makes YOU the criminal.. |
Guess what? By being a vigilante, Batman is already a criminal.
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Originally Posted by Digilaut 'And two wrongs don't make a right' means: solving killing with killing is wrong. It's not a solution, it's the running away/ easy way out for when you can't find the solution... |
Yours is a false premise. Commiting homicide is the greatest crime against humanity one can commit, and by executing a homicidal you are affirming and protecting the sanctity of human life and preventing the further homicide of human life by ending that particualar homicidal conduit.
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Originally Posted by Digilaut How much blood is on Batman's hands? NONE. He is not the person who kills.... |
Yet if other people die due to his lack of action, he is in part responsible. See Rorscach.
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Originally Posted by Digilaut How much blood is on your hands because you still haven't signed up for the police yet, so you can stop the killers? .... |
Probably about as much as yours... for all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.
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Originally Posted by Digilaut And surely, there are times when execution on site is the only option, but as a last and most final resort - for the rest, let our system do its job .... |
And if our system did its job then we wouldn't have masked vigilantes running around, would we?
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Originally Posted by Digilaut Just so we are clear, by the way, no hard feelings from my side to anyone, |
Could have fooled me:
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Originally Posted by Digilaut I think you need to take a break from your computer and mingle with real life, because you seem to have lost a bit of grip there. |
Is that the case with anyone who disagrees with you?
