Wait what? I mean that The Matrix is needed to activate the Sun Harvester. And then the Sun Harvester creates Energon, by destroying suns, which is used to re-energize The Allspark.
Agreed, not too mention a few of these "plot holes" could have been left intentionally for future purposes. We don't know, only the people who are writing it do.
But the allspark went almost 20,000 years with out a charge from the sun harvester. My understanding was was either you need energon or the allspark to give a transformer life. Fallen wanted the allspark to fuel his army. When that failed he reverted back to his old find the matrix plan... or something I wish that was true but I simply dont trust these guys to think like that. Remember when alot of us thought Barricades death was left out so they could keep BB's nemesis. Then they never used him. The original cut of TF1 didn't say what happened to starscream either and the flying in to space scene was added later. I think the stuff that gets left out or unexplained is done so because they don't have answers.
You also have to remember that they were just looking for the location of Megatron/And/or the glasses. According to the comics, which may or may not be canon, Blackout, Starscream, Frenzy, basically the TF1 Decepticon team arrived in 2003 and began doing survalliance. Soundwave probably was in another part of the universe doing some Soundwavey deed.
I love it when people rationalize a massive plot hole into "its supposed to be that way" and then you make up story points the movie clearly doesnt address. The only reason Frenzy had to be brought in to see it is because they encased the cube in 19XX in a giant concrete DAM to hide it. So that means Jetfire and all the seekers already on the planet couldnt sense it because "PLOT HOLE" never mind the fact Megatron's arrival went unnoticed. Your right though the Deceps in the movie one broke into the US military network as where the autobots googled ebay for it lol. To think that any Satelite ( US Gov Satelite ) is not monitored is being completely dense. Anything put into space has a million sensors on it and not to mention air space is completely monitored. I say accept the fact the movie is just wrought with inconsistencies and plot snafu's the denial of it just seems desperate.
Actually, I didn't "make up" anything. I stated points from the movies that actually occurred onscreen. I'm not sure what your point was about Frenzy and the dam, other than to support (or just repeat) what I had said. Then you just typed "PLOT HOLE" and then some incomplete sentences. I didn't say the satellite wasn't being monitored, I said they weren't monitoring it for a Decepticon hack. The whole point was that it's not really a stretch of logic to assume that Soundwave was able to hack into it without being detected. All movies generally expect the audience to assume things and fill in the gaps themselves. Just because a script doesn't explain every minute detail doesn't make it a plot hole, it just means that it might be beyond comprehension for those who have difficulty getting from A to B without having their hand held every step of the way. I don't disagree that there are problems with the plot - but it's very irritating to have people scream "massive plot holes!" when in reality, they aren't anything close to a plot hole.
Don't assume somethings not true because you don't have all the info. I said the original cut not the version released in theaters. If you listened to the dvd commentary Bay explains that after they listened to focus groups the decided to add resolution to the parents and starscream's stories. Had the focus groups not pointed this out He probably wouldn't have done it.
in TFTM, optimus told sam to put the cube in his chest to destroy the cube. sam did so to megatron, so i guess megatron and prime are similar in design, and that prime can only be killed by another prime is BS
Well yeah, it is BS, but not in the way you think. It is never said that only a Prime can defeat a Prime. It's that only a Prime can defeat The Fallen.
I think that putting a Cube that has immense power to any Transformers chest, even a Prime, or the fallen will overload their circuits and possibly kill them...
In Transformers: The Movie, there was no Sam, only Spike, and there was no Cube. You're thinking of Michael Bay's - The Transformers. They are similar in that they both have a Spark, as does all Transformer life. And we're not talking a spear to the chest or missile to the face, we're talking The Allspark Cube, here. Tad different on the levels of power, considering its a mystical device that is responsible for creating these Transformers and powering their entire civilization. And as many posts in many topics will note like this post in this topic; It's never said only a Prime can kill a Prime. The Fallen can be quoted as saying only a Prime can defeat him, later Jetfire says the same wording. Those are the two solitary bits of information we have on the matter. But two things. One, legends. We all know how those go. Truth becomes over the top fiction. But, given the sources of the information we're receiving are the Fallen himself and a former Seeker in his employment, there's boasting. I mean seriously, all the times this particular issue comes up, everyone takes it at strict face value. Since when do villains not hype themselves up? Claim themselves invincible? Boast of their power & might to everyone? Am I the only one that remembers how full of crap villains are when it comes to their outward projecting vanity?
