You guys talk like the fallen didn't deserve it.

Plus he's probably not even dead yet! He survived the other 7 times he died in that Universe anyway, and considering he's now a MOVIE START OGOD he'll show up to fuck stuff up in alot more universes.

 

yeah, the Autobots are more ruthless and badass in the movie'verse, no argument there.

Prime while riding Demolisher tells him, "PULL OVER!" then immediately shoots him twice in the head. Not to mention his gangster style 'gun-cock and execute' move at the end of the scene.

Sideways never had a chance. He saw Demolisher was getting his ass kicked and hoped to sneak out the back without being noticed. The Arcee's all laid into him immediately and started shooting them. He didn't transform or retaliate, he was still running. The argument could be made that he scanned the building in front of him and calculated the best way to jump through the building without hurting anyone, which he seems to have done. He continued to be shot up by the Arcees until Sideswipe comes and shoots him a few more times and then splits him in half. Sideways didn't seem to kill anyone, wasn't acting aggresive, didn't fire off a single shot, and was still brutally executed. The Autobots are pretty hardcore.

When Prime and Bumblebee crash into the warehouse where Sam is being tortured, Megatron doesn't even try to fight. He runs! Because he knows this Optimus Prime will kill him, end of story. Prime isn't playing around and Megatron knows it.

Prime takes on 3 of the biggest, baddest 'Cons and whups their asses!

Prime takes out The Fallen in about,...oh...30 seconds.

I won't make the argument over whether the 'Cons are evil or not. But it's pretty obvious that the Autobots in the movie'verse are alot more hardcore and gangster then they've ever been before.

Both races are brutal and ruthless.

 

^This^

And ^This^.

 

So we are trying to compare a gigantic robot that can fire missles and destroy everything in sight with hardly a thought, to a helpless human?
Seriously?
A "defensless" decepticon is a VERY different thing than a defensless human.
I think prime was awesome in this movie. He understands that the enemy is ruthless and he has to be ruthless in turn. Or risk losing the fight completly.
The decepticons were a much more destructive and cruel lot in the movieverse as opposed to G1. The autobots have to be more destructive in turn. Look at Bumblebee. Is he the loveable useless G1 slugbug that we all know and love? No he is a serious asskicker who takes no crap from any decepticon.

 

So we are trying to compare a gigantic robot that can fire missles and destroy everything in sight with hardly a thought, to a helpless human?
Seriously?
A "defensless" decepticon is a VERY different thing than a defensless human.
I think prime was awesome in this movie. He understands that the enemy is ruthless and he has to be ruthless in turn. Or risk losing the fight completly.
The decepticons were a much more destructive and cruel lot in the movieverse as opposed to G1. The autobots have to be more destructive in turn. Look at Bumblebee. Is he the loveable useless G1 slugbug that we all know and love? No he is a serious asskicker who takes no crap from any decepticon.

 

I really like the idea that there isn't much seperating the Autobots from the Decepticons. Certainly a new twist on their roles, but the problem for me is that the film doesn't even attempt to explore the idea. Hell, even one throwaway line from Prime after executing Demolisher to the effect of "What is the war doing to us" or "Look what we're become" would have worked wonders.

It's all ZOMG, right. Prime is this hard blasting mutha fucker and don't take no shitz from no ones! Some of them peoplez just want Prime to give the D-cons candy and roses like its their first date. This ain't G1. It ain't a cartoon. This real warz right thur! Prime ain't no pussy, brah! Give me this new hardcore mortal kombat fatality Prime any day of the week to that punk-ass version all the geewunners have been reading and watching for 25 years. This is the new shitz! It's kill or be killed. Ah No Limit Soldier, I thought I told ya!

 

Some time ago I was thinking about that and thought that the Autobot's violence could be a cool theme for a third movie(along with a crazy brainstorm about how the fallen is actualy the Prime that Optimus descend'd from therefore he's kind of a decepticon).

Another theme I'd like to see being used on the next would be how the humanity will react to the cybertronians after The Fallen's lil' tv commercial.

 

I like your Prime being related to the Fallen idea, very cool. Without a doubt the movie Autobots are not the reluctant warriors of any previous series. They're battle hardened to such a degree that humans could consider them to be just as dangerous as the Decepticons. The idea is sort of touched on in the beginning of the film, but is quickly forgotten. To me, this is where the Twins really fail as characters. We could have gotten two Autobot Warriors that could expand our knowledge of these new Autobots and their ancient war, but instead we got stupid comic relief.

Though I would love to see an expansion of some theme for the third film, if Bay comes back to direct we can only expect ROTF part 2 with more more more.

 

Well, the only way Prime was even able to stop Demolisher at all was by beating and blasting him within an inch of his life, anyway. And whith a guy that big, what are you going to do?

 

In the Bayverse continuity the war has taken its toll on this particular Prime, obviously. Within the supposed multiverse this particular Optimus retains his "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"-type ideals, but he's been pushed time & time again to the point that another Prime line, "The Decepticons must be stopped, no matter the cost" has become more real than ever. Where as Optimus Primes of other continuities would fight, if need be kill, but usually seek a peaceful solution, or allow an enemy to live, et cetera, this one is different. He has no Matrix, has only come into the Bayformers universe brand of it just recently, there's something different there, within him. When he kills Demolisher one can easily imagine him picturing all the humans that just died before this Con was stopped. He knows he's the big gun, which is why he shows up when the battle is over the top tough. Bayformers Optimus has been, per the story, alive for eons, holds a title of Prime which means something - the extent to which we have no idea, he's been shown to have compassion and concern for humans to the point which some use to say its the reason Megatron wiped the floor with him in the first film, and yet he's been shown to possess the big guns of asskickedry which were fully displayed in film two and only failed him when shanked from behind, and now he's been temporarily bonded with the power of an ancient Decepticon (though that seems done) as well as had that interaction with the Matrix directly (and who knows that it may have bestowed upon him physically & mentally in that moment). And I have zero trouble in reading into the scene of The Fallen's death and saying that because The Fallen's face or head (or however they seem to think it should work out) resembles the symbol that became the crest of the Decepticons, a breed of Transformer that has sent the Cybertronians into a war that's brought them nearly into extinction and in the process caused other lifeforms (of which we know how Prime sees - even this movie one) death & destruction, that he sees this face & the first Decepticon it belongs to and wants to strip this enemy of it physically with a symbolic lining in the action. We know a load about general truths when it comes to any Optimus Prime, but remember this one is still pretty new. He doesn't possess a Matrix, yet he is a Prime, the last one even. We've only glimpsed at his past in battle thanks to comics, and been given just hints at his life ruling along side Megatron in peace for a time. The fact remains, there's a lot about this awesomely Cullen voiced Optimus we know next to nothing about.

 

What Prime did was justified, who cares if he was unarmed, he was a Decepticon and therefore a threat to everyone.

 

Well there's the chance that the new writer will be a gigantic muscular man that will say "no" to some of Michael's ideas.

Or that Roberto and Alex WON'T try to write the movie along with other three projects right after a strike.

 

If dreams had wings, right. 

 

The entire season 1 and 2 is based on the premise that the Decepticons are trying to strip the planet of it's resources. Prime has to kill Megatron, and the rest of the Decepticons because he will not stop until they take over the universe.

 

Wow, you completely missed point, but that seems to be the norm for the internet. A real counter-point would have been that the movieverse Decepticons are living weapons and capture would be impossible because the Cons can't be disarmed. Hell, even that the cartoons were serials so the bad guys always lived until the movie, when they were killed off to sell new toys. In comparison to the movies, which have always tended to have the super-heroes kill the bad guy because of the genre's need for a big finish and the idea of a stand alone film.

Nevertheless, you're just arguing with someone who agrees with you. The movieverse Cons have to be put down. There is no other choice...until the writers decide to introduce spark cells. My dissatisfaction is with how the impact of the such violent behavior affects the Autobots (and the fact that people continue to use that one example from the movie as the ultimate justification for ROTF's new attitude). Yes, they are warriors, but they are suppose to the noble warriors that don't take pleasure in violence or killing. Besides not wanting to kill humans, there really isn't anything that distinguishes the Autobots from Decepticons in the movie. Now that could be an interesting plot point...nah, lets stick some farting and nut sack jokes in there.

 

The worst part was when Prime waterboarded Wheelie. I don't know why they even put that part in there.

 

This is most likely my fourth or fifth post but anyone that thinks this rotf Prime is too violent blah blah blah you're a being a *coward*. It's people like you that let violent offenders back on the streets. I would have gladly done worse to an enemy that had done what Megatron and the Fallen had.
*edit* 23 posts! Ooops.

 

lol, that was perfect, great job smkspy. =)

I really am sad to see so many people nowadays with the whole no mercy, the ends justify the means mentality though.

Anyways, to the OP of this thread, I don't think anyone is saying that Demolisher is innocent or anything remotely close to that. I think people, myself included, feel that it was against Prime's character to execute a subdued Demolisher, especially so no nonchalantly. Personally I feel it was simply pandering to the type of people I mentioned in the first part of the post.

As to the people who ask what else could have been done or laughed off the possibility of some sort of prison just remember this is a movie, anything is possible in it. Someone said Demolisher could have just simply died after mentioning The Fallen and that would have been a thousand times better than Prime simply blowing his head off like that.

 

Are you being serious?

If not, then god, your mentality saddens me. It's this type of attitude that I was referring to in my last post.

 

Kinda but not really. The coward stuff wasn't serious, however I prefer the ultra violent Prime for the live action films, but feel he/it would be out of place in the cartoon continuities...Hard times call for a hard leader. Also I would be uber pissed once I found out what the fallen had done.
Keep in mind Prime's epitaph for Megatron at the end of the first film. "You gave me no choice brother" or something like that. So I don't think he's a roid headed UFC date rape case waiting to happen.
Perhaps it's my age but a long time ago I got sick of heroes never doing what needed to be done while allowing evil to perpetuate because they were too soft.