How was Optimus Prime stronger than The Fallen?

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  1. 420bot

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    It was obvious that even with his super powers the fallen wasn't a fighter anymore, he beat all the others but had grown weak from being a pussy.
    After all he was to scared to come to earth until Prime was dead who is basicly his own distant relation, my question is why didn't the coward just teleport away after prime destoyed the harvaster?
     
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    Who cares. At the end of the day Prime is da man and he kicked his ass. Nuff said!
     
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    Michael Bay doesn't give a shit about Tech Specs.
     
  4. Primesfist

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    :bay 
     
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    He was a good guy.

    I mean yeah, he mutilates faces, executes defeated prisoners, makes quips as he defeats his enemies, and emotionally manipulates his friends into fueling his own agenda, but despite this, he...

    Wait.

    What was I talking about?
     
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    They could of cut out all that college stuff and with sam parents to save money and reduce time scale..
     
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    It's pretty straight-forward - cause the script said so... It's a movie dude, not real life...
     
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    He did not teleport away because he wanted revenge on Prime for ruining his revenge on humanity.:D 
     
  9. buickanddeere

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    The Primes and the generation afterwards seemed to have powers the later robots didn't. Teleportation for instance.
     
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    My guess is the Fallen lost bec. the Fallen was older than Jetfire and the Fallen would've died from old age even if he did not fight Optimus. It is unfortunate that Optimus has no mercy for weak senior citizens like the Fallen.
     
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    I agree that final battle went to quick. It also didn't have the cool-factor that the forest battle did.

    I doubt it was due to "running out of money" as I doubt they rigidly process stuff in the order the movie runs.

    I imagine that all of the fallens good powers (levitating tanks/massive rocks) don't work on primes, therefore it'll just be one bot vs another bot. It's weak, but it's as plausible that the g1 matrix cures hate, or likes winnebagos.
     
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    Rushed ending, bad writing or directing, time constraints due to the important inclusion of parachute farting, Simmons ass, Sam's 'stoned' mom tackling college students (sorry, that's a drunk move, not a high one), a giant metal scrotum, you name it.

    Why on Earth would someone think the heroic leader of the Autobots being resurrected and temporarily upgraded in order to kill the sequel's ultimate evil require more time than it takes to piss, or even be equal to the time it takes to piss. No, wait, why would anyone in their right mind think it necessary to dedicate even the time it would take for me to walk from my computer to the bathroom prior to even taking a piss to the most important money shot of the final battle sequence?

    The end is clearly flawless.
     
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    That's a good point. Ripping their faces off and everything. :lol 
     
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    Stop thinkin' about things, dawg! Accept the swill you're fed with a smile. My head feels lighter already!
     
  15. Razorwing

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    Because Optimus has god damn Jet packs. Jet Packs FTW.
     
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    how is there a problem..

    Fallen: still weak from battle with other primes+geriatric conditions+internal fear of prophecy(prime to kill him thing)= weak

    Optimus P: matrix+jetfire body and spark upgrade+pissed from having just been shafted in the back= stronger

    didn't RodImus smoke unICron in less then 60 seconds.
     
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    Yeah the whole thing was stupid. Thing it through logically (though in a Bay movie, logic is obsolete)

    -Jetfire is an ancient Transformer, who can barely walk and is constantly popping off parts and sparking/glitching. He's also not very toughly armored, as one jab from SCorponok's tail leaves a big gaping hole in his torso.

    -Yet, for some reason his parts actually make Optimus Stronger.

    If you'd go by logic, the only thing Jetfire's parts would have done to Prime is to make him able to fly and add the gun. Not to supercharge his gun and make him incredibly strong...

    Also, the whole fight was unreal. Prime takes on Megs AND the Fallen the same time, and in 2 minutes, he kills the Fallen and Megs is a smoking wreck barely able to stand? Why didn't the Fallen use his "Sith powers" or didn't he just teleport away simply?

    IN comparison, it's as if Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi, instead of listening to the Emperor gloat, would have taken on both Vader AND the Emperor and dealt with them in 2 minutes.

    The Fallen was officially a shitty villain. I can imagine Simon Furman's dissapointment on how his creation was handled in the movie. He was much better in TWW-Dark Ages - backhanding Grimlock with a mere swipe of his hand, standing unfazed under heavy artillery fire by the Autobots, crushing forcefields with ease... it took Jetfire to awake Primus to defeat and imprison him again.

    The Novel version of ROTF was much better, there OP cannot kill the Fallen but imprisons him in another dimension...

    Totally different thing. Rodimus did not kill Unicron by himself - he used an ancient artifact to do it. The thing that was (as we find out later in the cartoon) especially made to kill Unicron. (And in the comic, it is the essence of the only being that could ever stop him, who was his polar opposite, Primus).

    What's worse is what follows. Bay could not even try to end the movie normally, so after the Fallen dies, the whole movie just... curls up and dies like a giant insecticon. No resolution on other characters (Twins? Arcee? Jetfire's spark's burial, maybe?), no hinting to other things to come, just a shot of a mothership and OP repeating the EXACT SAME MONOLOGUE FROM THE FIRST MOVIE.

    Yeah Prime, "we are here, we are waiting" for a better scriptwriter and director, too.
     
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    the movie forum doesn't need sense, the children like to run rampant with their wild ideas
     
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    7 dead primes sprits in optimus prime - that how optimus beat fallen
     
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    YOU GUYS GO AHEAD AND KEEP THINKING ABOUT THINGS.

    I'm going to enjoy my tasteless swill.


    Mmmm, swill-y.