It's about Fans and staying true to Transformers

vektsilver · 06-29-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattamus Prime

First off... I started a brand new account. So I've been on this site for a while, I'm not new.

It's about Fans and staying true to Transformers.
That's what this movie (and the last one), were all about. That's why they are awesome. Critics who don't know Transformers, should not even reveiw this movie. Don't bother! It will still make $200 Million dollars in a matter of days.

Remember a movie called "The Phantom Menace?" This movie was reviewed as a good movie by Ebert... yet he trashes ROTF. WOW! You call Phantom Menace good but ROTF bad???

Lets reflect:

Lucas wrecked an entire Generation of Star Wars fans with those three terribly crappy movies. They didn't listen to fans, the movies were god awful in almost every single way. I was a die hard Star Wars guy for ever too, I never thought I could hate anything Star Wars as much as those three movies. They were all bad... even after years of crappy reviews Lucas kept making more and more crap. Each one better than Phantom... but not by much. The fans... generally... were pissed off. Some... are still pissed off (like me). I waited 21 hours outside the theater for Episode 1. Lucas was not true to fans or to Star Wars at all.

Then you look at another series... Lord of the Rings. They got as close as they could to perfecting these movies. It was all about staying true to the books, while honoring the fans, and the entire universe of Lord of the Rings. Jackson was true to the creators, fans, etc. Or at least... as much as they could. Now of course not "everyone" thought these movies were perfect, but nearly 20 academy awards between the three movie doesn't lie. Perfect example of staying true to the Lore and the fans as well as the books.

Now you look at Transformers. I am a G1 geek. Everything G1 right here. From a fan perspective, Michale Bay and the writers pleased the fans and stayed true to Transformers, and that's the important thing. So both moviesgot bad ratings... who cares. I think it's funny. Phantom Menace was "good" yet "ROTF" wasn't. Give me a break. Personally, I liked the 2nd one better than the first in lots of ways. I love them both for their own reasons but still.... if you're a fan... chances are, you loved this movie. If you are not a fan, do not know anything about Transformers, and walk into a movie like this expecting academy awards and stuff... forget it! This movie is not for you. Fans are pleased and that's all that matters. Staying true to the Transformers Universe. Not... making a movie that appeals to everyone. Screw "everyone!" it's not about you. It's about the fans, the fans are what makes these things happen. General public will go watch this stuff anyway. So thanks for your $10 for admission... but if you stay true to the fans, stay true to the lore, and don't cater every movie for the general public, you'll end up with a smash hit every time.

Try to please the masses, the non fans, and the general public... it doesn't always work out. You please the fans... you can't lose!

Michael Bay, Orci, Kurtzman, the whole gang.... Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! Thank you!

The movie was great. Met my expectations, I'm pleased that a Transformers geek like myself can say! Sweet! They stayed true to the fans! That's all that matters.

P.S. Ebert! You're a terrible movie critic anyway. Always have been. No one liked Phantom Menace but you.

honestly I dont think the movie is very true to transformers I think if anything this movie tries more to stay true to Mike Bay's vision and not that of the franchise.

I mean we hear this all the time in its not G1 this and not armada that blah blah . This as we are constantly reminded this is Mike Bay's movie and I dont think he really cares to give the fans or the Franchise service. Its all marketing and thats about it.

Im a huge transformers fan have been for as long as you can be and I am not a fan of the movies as I feel ( more so TF2) just makes fun of the franchise actually ruins it.

Is there anyone here who thinks in any version prime would say GIVE ME YOUR FACE? Devastator teabagging the audience also just makes fans look ridiculous altogether. The TF fandom has taken a step back by supporting this movie as a great film.

Mattamus Prime · 06-29-2009, 03:51 PM

Not all fans liked it. That's sucks! I wish I could say they all did but... how often does that happen? There were people that hated batman Begins too. Not sure how... but they did.

But come on people Jar Jar... overuse is an understatement. And I didn't think anyone could make such great actors look so shitty. Lucas wrecked the whole movie. At least with Bay and these tow movies... the cheese and stupid ness is spread out as to not be too overbearing.

Damn! I want my old status back... I'm back down to minicon! SHIT!!! Someone help!!

If anyone tells me that Phantom Menace or Crystal Skull are better than ROTF... then please please, put your head in the toilet... flush... repeat.
Some of you may remember this from grade school.

ROTF was not nearly the overkill that Phantom Menace or Crystal Skull were. Those were complete disasters.

P.S. I manage a building full of young 20 somethings... they all loved the movie. Critics I can see tearing it to shreds (cause they have but I could have predicted that). I can see about 90 percent of TF fans loving it and the other 10% hating it.

Mospeada · 06-29-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattamus Prime

If anyone tells me that Phantom Menace or Crystal Skull are better than ROTF... then please please, put your head in the toilet... flush... repeat.
Some of you may remember this from grade school.

I just said it, and no.

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Originally Posted by Mattamus Prime

ROTF was not nearly the overkill that Phantom Menace or Crystal Skull were. Those were complete disasters.

If RoTF wasn't overkill on a grand scale, I don't know what is.

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Originally Posted by Mattamus Prime

I can see about 90 percent of TF fans loving it and the other 10% hating it.

I can see you having trouble with math.

smkspy · 06-29-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattamus Prime

If anyone tells me that Phantom Menace or Crystal Skull are better than ROTF... then please please, put your head in the toilet... flush... repeat.
Some of you may remember this from grade school.

Wow, based on your comments I would have placed you as 15.

Reaper2006 · 06-29-2009, 03:56 PM

As a kid growing up with both Star Wars and Transformers i never took sides when it comes to the Prequels or the 2007 and 2009 Transformers movies I stay loyal to the one thing that keeps me going with them: THE MYTHOLOGY.

I had no problems with the Prequel Trilogy, yea sure the acting was shoddy an laughable but the mythology of Star Wars was still there in Lucas's vision and I stayed loyal with that I would never bash the one man who introduced me to the greatest movie villian (next to Megatron) in history Lord Darth Vader.

Now onto the current Transformers movies when first heard bout a live action version being made first thing that came to mind is that they would never EVER stay true to the original cause it's the 21st Century and they want it to be part of the modern era and luckily I kept an open mind all the way through to opening day and I still love that movie to this day because tho it is not my Generation 1 it is the current and new generation of fans version of Generation 1.

We as fans of the Transformers Mythology from the 80's should NOT be fighting amongst ourselves because of whether we support or abhor these new movies cause no matter what we say, no matter how much we bicker and fight we have to step aside and welcome this new Generation of fans and not push them away.

flamepanther · 06-29-2009, 04:00 PM

The biggest, most ginormous, HUGE gaping hole in the original post is that Phantom Menace was much truer to Star Wars (even in terms of a specific continuity!) than the Hollywood Transformers movies are to even a general mythology of TF concepts and characters--and I love "Bayformers". The crimes of Phantom Menace were mainly that it didn't live up to the impossible expectations that had been built up, had one obnoxious character, made an attempt at slightly demystifying the Force, and didn't have Harrison Ford in it.

That and people I knew watched it way too many times in a row: "Man, that was GREAT! I'm so glad we finally got a Star Wars movie again. This is going to be a classic! I'm gonna go watch it again TODAY" [30 viewings later] "Man, Phantom Menace SUCKS! It's so boring!" Yeah, almost like something you've seen 30 times already. The main way it is not like to "Star Wars" is that we do not have childhood memories of it. The classic trilogy is a set of fun, charming, but awkwardly written and acted B space opera movies, just like the prequel trilogy. Sorry.

ManiactoaLaco · 06-29-2009, 04:09 PM

It's a summer blockbuster. I watch to be entertained. I not really paying attention to how "true" it is to the franchise, or whatever. Besides, I couldn't stand the Phantom Menace because of Jar-Jar alone.

Wait, when did we start talking about Star Wars movies?

MTL

Bottom Out · 06-29-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mospeada

Please tell me how these things stayed true to Transformers:

how is it even possible to have anything new if its always going to be considered "not the same" as before? Being not the same as before is kind of the point when creating a NEW transformers franchise.

The bay movies have stayed true to what makes transformers transformers whether you like it or not. As long as there is a good faction vs a bad faction of robots who transform into something to disguise themselves you have transformers. Transformers IS as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Mospeada

Sorry, re-read my post and tell me how those ten things are true to Transformers. Find me instances of those things in any other Transformers series. Go on. Please find them.

tell me how these things are NOT true to transformers

1) Autobots vs Decepticons

2) Sentient robot life forms that transform into vehicles

3) Set on Earth

Bay and the writers know what it takes to be "transformers"...there is no quesiton about that. The only problem they run into is trying to tell the story. Everything needed is there, the only thing that needs to be worked on is pacing/plot/character development

luca_frontino · 06-29-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew Eiden

Define true fan.

Ok, there is the True-fan and the Bay-fan. Got it?

ian5555 · 06-29-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mospeada

Sorry, re-read my post and tell me how those ten things are true to Transformers. Find me instances of those things in any other Transformers series. Go on. Please find them.

So what?? Where is it written that someone can't put their own artistic (although sometimes stupid) stamp on Transformers? Are they not allowed to put anything in the movie that wasn't done before? I got an idea let's get a re-hash of the marvel comic in a movie, something most of us have read before.

What does that even mean true to Transformers? So are we getting false to Transformers or something? Optimus? Check. Megatron? Check. Autobots, Decepticons? Check, Check. Millions of year old war? Check? Spike? Check. They Transform? Check? What is this falseness you speak of?

I could list 10 just as silly things to me about EVERY Transfomers series to date. To me the whole is worth more then the sum of parts.

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Originally Posted by luca_frontino

Ok, there is the True-fan and the Bay-fan. Got it?

: A movie fan has just as much claim to true-fan as anyone else. Personally I think that phrase is stupid.