There isn't two Rampages in the movie, also there's no Scavenger/Demolishor confusion

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  1. Starscreamer95

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    Top: Rampage...

    Bottom: Skipjack...

    'Nuff said people...
     
  2. daitarn red

    daitarn red bionic hero

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    ravage is robot cat in tf2 movie
     
  3. iamamachine

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    This is how the Devastator was formed in the movie :
    Hightower and Long Haul are parked.
    Comes Overload, Mixmaster, Scrapper, and Scavenger is behind them. They park beside Hightower.
    So you have lined up :
    Overload, Mixmaster, Scrapper and Hightower. Scavenger is behind them.
    Comes over the ridge another Long Haul and Rampage. (Now you have the minimum 7 constructicons).
    When Scavenger starts pulling the other vehicles, it is revealed that there is another Scrapper between Overload and Mixmaster.
    So you have lined up :
    Overload, Scrapper (8th Constructicon), Mixmaster, Scrapper and Hightower.
    You see Scavenger pull Scrapper (8th Constructicon) and Mixmaster, then Hightower, the Scrapper beside Hightower is also transforming.
    The parked Long Haul also transforms. (This is the 9th constructicon).
    Devastator picks up the Scrapper beside Hightower and uses this Scrapper as the left hand.
    So you have at least 9 constructicons and perhaps more not shown in forming the movie Devastator.
    In the movie, Devastator can take in more than 7 constructicons if more constructicons are available. I don't know what is the upper limit on the number of constructicons.
    The $100 Devastator is not accurate bec. it does not have the minimum 7 constructicons. The 7th one is Overload.

    In the movie, names are seldom used. The red Rampage is named Rampage.
    The name Jolt is also not used in the movie.
    The name Grindor is also not used in the movie.
     
  4. uKER

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    Deadpool, are you making a point about a character's color over a pseudo-monochromatic underwater scene?
    Nah, I'm out for this one.

    You guys really are tough.
    Here they mention Skipjack fights Bumblebee.
    Also, Skipjack has voice credit at the end of the movie.

    Believe as you wish.
     
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    The top view of the 4 vehicles in the ship reveals that Rampage is red.
    On the closeup, the 4 vehicles in the ship are :
    yellow Volvo excavator beside Mixmaster
    Long Haul is beside the red Rampage.
    The one sacrificed is probably the yellow volvo excavator who is not seen again.
     
  6. geezmangu

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    skipjack is rampage and wheelbot is demolisher, go to the wikipedia page. those are the names during the movie was in production.
     
  7. uKER

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    iamamachine, your mistake is assuming that Devastator's components are other bots.
    The movie never implies they are.
    As far as the movie is concerned, they're just vehicles whose only special ability is to combine into Devastator.

    I am currently the top contributor to that Wikipedia page, and it was me who made Devastator as it is now. Look here.

    Active Wikipedia articles (despite everyone thinking anyone can write any BS they like and get away with it) are highly scrutinized and believe me no questionable information makes it for long there. That conception of Devastator solved a lot of controversy over duplicate characters, repaints, and other stuff.
     
  8. newguy

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    no we need it to at least hit 136
     
  9. Deadpool.

    Deadpool. I want my bird.

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    Except that Mixmaster's mixing barrel's colors are still pretty distinct, and that red metal in such a situation doesn't appear that yellow.

    Of course, I could be wrong; I'm not saying that there definitely is or isn't a yellow Rampage. The one in the water could be any color from white to orange for all I know, it just doesn't seem like it's red.
     
  10. uKER

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    Well, I can agree with that.
    The thing is that there's nothing else in the movie suggesting there's a yellow Rampage-like bot.

    Since it already came into the discussion, if you want to feel better about the subject, take a deep breath and read the way Devastator and the Constructicons are described here.
    Yeah, right, it was me who wrote it, but take it into consideration and you will see it will make you forget all the conflict and confusion over the duplicate Constructicons.
     
  11. iamamachine

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    In the movie, Devastator is formed from at least 9 vehicles which I assume arrived as the protoform meteors that were shown earlier. Each protoform is supposed to represent an individual Decepticon. I did not see a giant Devastator arrive as a giant protoform so I would not assume that there is a giant Decepticon with 7 to 9 parts or 7 to 11 parts.
    The movie Devastator is very flexible and we don't really know the maximum number of parts that it can take but the minimum is 7.
    The movie Devastator is formed from 7 to ? number of Decepticons.
    If Devastator is a giant robot who arrived, then it would not explain why he is formed from a variable number of parts.
     
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    well i still think it's cute. imo
     
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    Having only seen it once, I'm not positive- but I thought I saw a larger yellow constructicon with a face very similar to ramage's very shortly after BB kills the red constructicon in question.

    As I saw it, I did wonder if that was actually what Rampage was based off (although I did find it odd that a bot that just briefly flashes past frame would get a bot before red one did).

    The other interesting thing I definitely noticed was that I never noticed red bot (who ever he is) transform into Rampage's bot mode. If you watch closely he seem to spend all his time in that so called jack hammer mode (at least at the end of the film- and in the under water still in this thread). This really surprised me give how unique his bot mode is.
     
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  15. uKER

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    Most probably Scrapper. See here.

    In the underwater shot he is in bot mode (or more like centaur spider mode).
     
  16. iamamachine

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    In the movie, the red bulldozer in the ship transformed into skipjack mode and was thrown into the ocean.
    The red bulldozer transported Sam's parents and also transformed into skipjack mode and fought Bumblebee.
    After that I don't remember seeing any more of a robot with the track whips so the mode with robot legs don't seem to be in the movie.
    Yellow Scrapper robot has 2 thin whips that each end in 5 finger claws. The yellow Scrapper robot can be easily mistaken for a yellow Rampage bec. both robots have whips. Red Rampage has wider track whips.
     
  17. uKER

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    AGAIN, Rampage seems to be in bot mode in the underwater scene.
    Screenshot in previous page.
     
  18. iamamachine

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    There are at least 3 green dump trucks in the movie :
    1. There was a green dump truck on the ship that transformed into a giant robot. This green dump truck is 2x longer than the red bulldozer.
    I assume it is this same giant robot you see searching for Sam and Mikaela.
    I also saw him get shot.

    2. There was a green dump truck parked with Hightower when the 2 guys arrive on the site where Devastator forms.
    After Devastator formed his 2 arms, this green dump truck starts to transform beside the 2 guys and the 2 guys run.

    3. Before Devastator started forming,
    another green dump truck arrives with the red bulldozer over the ridge.

    so we have 3 green dump trucks in the movie. We see 1 green dump truck can transform into a giant robot and 2 green dump trucks help form Devastator.
    These 3 green dump trucks all look the same and I think it is a reasonable assumption that each green dump truck that you see in the movie has the ability to turn into a robot and can also help form Devastator and that all 3 green dump trucks arrived as 3 protoform meteors who decided on the alt mode of a green dump truck.
    We are also aware of the Legends Devastator toy that has a green dump truck who can turn into a robot and can also combine. As far as I know, in the Transformers world, the toys are conceived first and these are then used in the movie so it is a good idea to use the toys to help us understand the movie.

    Just because you don't see something turn into a robot, it is not a good assumption to say that this thing cannot turn into a robot.
    Soundwave is in the same situation. We can assume Soundwave only has a head and can never turn into a robot or we can use the toy to assume that soundwave can turn into a robot.
    In the movie, we see nanobots from Ravage turn into the Reedman, this suggests that Transformers are really very flexible and can really turn into any shape. It is not a good assumption that there are Transformers who can never turn into robot shapes.

    Every Transformers movie is full of robots that turn into vehicles (and vice versa) and the only exception in ROTF are the animals like Scorponok and Ravage. I actually assume that everyone can change into any shape (like robots) if they really want to including the animal forms. If I see a Decepticon dump truck, it is reasonable for me to assume that this dump truck probably came from a robot protoform and can turn back into a robot. In the beginning of the movie, I already saw a dump truck turn into a giant robot. If I see a green dump truck combine, I would assume that this is an additional ability.
     
  19. tehCal

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    Exactly.

    Sorry ukER but I think your theory is a drastic assumption. Every 'con shown on screen is implied to be able to transform. There is no reason that the Decepticons would have a bunch of vehicles who can't transform just driving around as parts for Devastator. That would be illogical for so many reasons! And why would these non-transformable limbs be clones of the alt modes that regular Decepticons take, if not to be interchangeable with them?

    Besides, your theory precludes the many transforming Constructicons from joining as part of Devestator, and that goes against the whole point of the Constructicons. You talk about unreliable facts being placed on Wikipedia, but you yourself are doing the same thing and if somebody from this forum took that information down, you'd obviously be quite upset about it.

    Face it: the writers made a script that referred to a lot of Decepticons generically, and Bay filled in the gap with Constructicons, regardless of whether they might have had multiples elsewhere.

    If you were from the production team and had gone to all the trouble of making fantastic designs for each Constructicon, then realised that the majority of their screentime is used for combining into Devastator then I think you wouldn't mind using the models elsewhere, would you? That's the logical thing.
     
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    In the movie, you see 1 set of constructicon vehicles/robots used as foot soldiers and you also see duplicate constructicon vehicles (at least 2 Scrappers and 2 Long Hauls) were used to form Devastator so the movie is basically full of constructicon clones :
    2 Scavenger clones (one is named Wheelbot or Demolishor)
    1 Overload (unnamed)
    2 Mixmaster clones (both unnamed)
    3 Scrapper clones (all unnamed)
    1 Hightower (unnamed)
    3 Long Haul clones (all unnamed)
    2 Rampage clones. Yellow Rampage clone is unnamed. Red Rampage clone is named Skipjack or Rampage.
    1 yellow volvo excavator used for parts for Megatron (unnamed)
    and all of them came from Decepticon protoforms that landed as meteors.