so, tell me how the constructicons can be in two places at once?

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  1. Ephland

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    2 sets of vehicles. Long Haul (the dude on the ship, in the ocean, and at the fight) was not the leg. I got the impression that Mixmaster was in charge of the combining of the vehicles, and after Devastator was destroyed, he went to join the fight.
     
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    It's Bay's horrible editing.
     
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    At least with the G1 seekers, they were colored differently and possessed different personalities (although Starscream was the most memorable of the three).

    I was okay with Grindor, but would've preferred if they showed him getting revived at the bottom of the sea. Would've tied up that loose end.

    But the fact that they used the same vehicles colored the same way screams laziness on the part of ILM, Paramount, etc.
     
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    My interpretation it that you have 7 basic designs for Constructicons and the clones were used as foot soldiers or Cobra troopers.
    Demolishor is a clone of Scavenger.
    One Constructicon is used for parts to revive Megatron.
    There was a yellow Rampage looking for Sam and there was also a red Rampage who had the parents of Sam. All these are clones of Rampage.
    Long Haul clone was also looking for Sam.
    Long Haul clone and Mixmaster clone also fought in the desert as individuals.

    The way Devastator was formed was as follows :
    You first see Hightower and Long Haul parked.
    Overload, Mixmaster and Scavenger comes in together and they park right near Hightower. Scrapper also parks beside them.
    Another Long Haul and a Rampage also arrive from a ridge.
    You see Scrapper, Scavenger and Mixmaster Transform.
    Scavenger splits his scoop arm to form the shoulders just like the Legends Devastator. He pulls in Mixmaster, then Scrapper, then Hightower.
    For the right arm, another Scrapper is added for the right hand.
    The parked Long Haul also transforms.
    So the movie Devastator seems to have 2 vehicles per limb for a total of about 11 vehicles.
    The Legends Devastator is more accurate in its use of both Scavenger and Overload. The $100 Devastator is not movie accurate.
     
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    Officially devastator is one robot not several and he is to big to have one alt mode so they split him into 6 in the movie.

    This is why the toy has no robot modes in the supreme version.

    So its just one big lame robot made from 6 alts.

    that is why we still have other constructicons floating around. Not to mention I get the feeling this is the side affect from horrible editing and story telling.

    but there ya go consider it answered long haul is not a constructicon and nor is any bot with robot mode and alt not devastator.
     
  6. iamamachine

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    The Devastator in the movie is made from more than 7 Constructicons. The left arm already had Hightower and he added Scrapper as a hand for the left arm. It seems that for the movie Devastator, each limb is made from about 2 vehicles for a total of about 11 vehicles.
    When Devastator was forming, I saw for sure 2 Scrappers and 2 Long Hauls. The movie does not show how the lower torso and legs were formed.
    The $100 Devastator is not movie accurate bec. it is missing Overload. In the $100 Devastator, Scavenger is double size and is just upside down to form Devastator and the scoop arm is folded at the scrotum area.
    In the movie, Scavenger splits his scoop arm to form the shoulders and arms just like in the Legends Devastator. The movie and the Legends Devastator have Overload so the Legends Devastator is more accurate.

    All the Constructicons in the movie can transform to robots. They just did not show all the vehicles transform to robot bec. they were busy showing how to form Devastator. There is no such thing as a Decepticon vehicle that cannot transform to robot mode as if they are sort of disabled.
     
  7. Ziero

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    At least repaints are different colors. Speaking of which, how long until we see Red Rampage?

    It's ironic that you say the Autobots are more about individuality, yet they have a set of twins and triplets.

    And large groups of indistinguishable grunts and cannon fodder worked for the Protoforms, but it shouldn't have been extended to the Constructicons. To go by your example, in PotC, even some of the "indistinguishable" grunts were distinguishable from other pirates. Jones' crew specifically had nameless grunts, but who stood out and were one of a kind. The Constructicons, in all their forms, should have stayed one of a kind, while the Protoforms made up the bulk of the "nameless army".

    If they all looked exactly the same, I would complain a bit. If they had the same basic body type, but had different heads and markings THEN I wouldn't complain.

    In the end, this:

    ...is the correct answer. Whether it's a good thing or a bad thing is up for debate though. As long as I get individual toys of all of the cooler bots though I won't care at all. Hell, maybe even a protoform deluxe two pack so we can troop build em. Transformers doesn't have enough bots you can troop build so that would be kinda cool. :lol 
     
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    Its the perfect geewunner reference and people still miss it in 5 pages of threads? Just like the old Insecticons, there are groups of "clones" patterned after the "main group" of Constructicons that form Devastator.


    There, wasn't that simple?
     
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    that is what I think as well, it's very simple and people shouldn't be all pissy about it. Yes they should have went into more detail about it but they didn't, other than that the movie was sweet.
     
  10. Eric

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    A wizard did it.

    Or what he said.
     
  11. Ktulu

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    They're presented in much different ways. Stormtroopers are very clearly soldiers. When we first see the constructicons, they're all different characters, appearing to be just more unique Transformers. If there were several Long Hauls, several Mixmasters right from the start - your argument would work, but as is it really doesn't. When more than one set of them then show up out of nowhere later on, it *is* potentially confusing. Several people have brought it up. If it was just fine, no one would be saying anything about it.

    Now, I'm not saying it confuses me personally, I can accept it through various arguments - but my point is that it's not REALLY made clear in the movie's narrative itself. I shouldn't HAVE to justify it after the fact. I'm not so sure the movie intends for people to argue "oh these are just like soldiers in a military unit!!!", it's just throwing the same designs in there at various spots. It's making some people, even fans here, wonder what's up. It's come up several times. My point is...good film making takes steps to make sure the elements of the film actually make sense without the audience having to fill in the gap. There are exceptions to that in several cases for what you could argue are artistic reasons, but "what character is that, isn't that one doing something else right now?" kind of questions shouldn't have to be on anyone's mind.

    Again, you can not expect the casual fan, the general movie goer seeing this cos it's the next big popcorn flick alone, to be able to reason it and understand it that way.

    Amazing argument :thumb 
     
  12. General Magnus

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    Meh, I donĀ“t care. The more cannon fodder the better.
     
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    It would be easier to see them as cannon fodder grunts if there were multiple Long Hauls or Mixmasters in a shot, like Ktulu said above. I figured it out watching the movie because I'm on these boards looking at toys and CGI renditions of the contructicons often enough, but my friends who were casual movie goers had difficulties recognising the different decepticons for what they were.
     
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    Nobody here is arguing about not having cannon fodder bots, but for this film the Constructicons should not have been portrayed as such. Let the faceless, nameless protoforms be the cannon fodder. That's exactly what they were built for and they were damn good at it. But the Constructicons, a *team* of robots that were pegged as elite Decepticon warriors should have been one of a kind models. Because while Star Wars had it's faceless cannon fodder, it also had it's highly popular, one of a kind cannon fodder. The Constructicons should have been to TF2 as Boba Fett is to Star Wars.
     
  15. Solrac333

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    Maybe multiple protoforms scanning the same vehicle?
     
  16. duster

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    well that loophole was sad. maybe they were too short on time so they reused the templates again. and did anyone notice that the protoforms only had 2 designs? i would've been more satisfied with less bots and more time to build up their characters. anyways great popcorn movie!
     
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    A wizard did it.
     
  18. Jeremy.B

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    I'm not sure how old you are, but I really hope you are a young kid. If you are an adult, and you are generalizing a region because you disagree with one member of that region over a MOVIE and TOY line, then I suggest you reconsider your priorities in life (or whatever it is you are apparantly lacking).
     
  19. Razerwire

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    I agree 100%. But for whatever reason, they didn't. Oh well.
     
  20. Radioactive Ravage

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    It's a cop out that they decided to feature both the separate Constructicons and Devastator at the same time? Methinks NAY.