My disappointment with the sequel

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Getter Rekka, Jun 16, 2009.

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  1. Getter Rekka

    Getter Rekka Well-Known Member

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    No I haven't but you are trying my patience now. I've been pretty respectful and well mannered, as opposed to others who have been insulting an opinion pushing, yet you instead choose to focus your efforts on me. I used the term "offend" very loosely and not only that I didn't say I was taking offense to it, merely pointing out why some people do not have to watch every iteration of what they're a fan of.

    You are projecting the image of a G1 purist onto me and that I do find very offensive. I do not believe you are being rational, nor have you been following the thread accurately enough to make such claims.

    Why "think about it"? This is what they outright say. I'm saying that it doesn't make a lot of sense given the level of technology the transformers have to begin with, it is unnecessary for suspension of disbelief to make him crawl around.
     
  2. Autobus Prime

    Autobus Prime Transit Former

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    GR:
    Or the infamous "Allspark Blue Outbreak". :D 
    Wreckage worked out well, however...he's got a realistic vehicle mode, and transformation reveals red robot parts, which is really eye-catching. Wreckage does pretty much everything well, and the design was almost on-screen...just unused. :D 

    Offroad Ironhide and Incinerator looked decent, too. Both had reasonably realistic vehicle schemes (albeit with some Allspark vitiligo on Mister Choppy Choppy). The two-tone gray on Incinerator is attractive without being bright at all.


    I have to say, I'm not totally on board with Devastator's crouching stance. It's monstrous, but Devastator is a giant, and the most noteworthy thing about giants is that they're tall. Really really tall. Crouching works against this.

    I hope he at least rears up to full height so we can have a nice, long shot of him dramatically silhouetted against the sky.

    Another place where I take issue is his sand-sucking attack. It's very cool, but it's not a natural attack for a giant, because his height works against it. If he were a giant sandworm, it would seem much more fitting. Here again, an attack that took advantage of his size and height would seem natural...throwing massive rocks, swinging a huge mace from hundreds of feet up to smash into the earth like a meteor. Large-scale melee attacks would be very suitable. I'm sure he'll do his share of crushing and stomping, however.

    Still, movie monsters sometimes do odd things and get away with it, as long as they look good. Dev does look monstrous. I'll know more in a week or so. :D  :D  :D 

    I am hoping to see more classic Transformers in this sequel, too. I have to say, though, that I was surprised at how G1-ish the first movie was. It looked odd, but once you got past that, it was really familiar. Optimus in particular was very like his old self, more than we've had for years. I'm pretty hopeful about this sequel.
     
  3. AutobotSkids

    AutobotSkids G1/Bay Lover

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    Yes, the transformers are advanced. But even though they are really strong, They can only lift so much. Look at how huge Scavenger is! That is one big excavator! Poor Long Haul and Rampage can only lift so much. That is a good point in my opinion.

    Also, Maybe they wanted him to walk on all fours. He does look much more intimidating, looking monster like, and on all fours, than a civilized robot standing up. My opinion.
     
  4. Opticron Primal

    Opticron Primal Comin' up OOOs!

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    And once again someone has to explain: If the transformers made themselves work perfectly or transform into anything or upgrade their look or intelligence (added a few more things from previous gripes) it would be completely boring.
     
  5. nkelsch

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    No... I said nothing about GEEWUN.

    It is my opinion and you can't change my opinion that your statements make me think your criticism are not objective because you have not even seen many of the designs you are criticizing in live action yet. It is also my opinion the way you are presenting your opinions are exaggerated and irrational in an attempt to provoke responses from people... like a fishing lure dragged behind a boat, wiggling in order to get fish to bite upon it... There was a term for it, I forgot what it was...

    And using 'my opinion' on things is a way you can scream at people and claim to never be wrong... but just because it is your opinion doesn't make it true... People are free to think you and your opinion are of poor quality and based upon weak justification or lack of information. Which I have done because you have not seen the movie yet.

    But it is my Opinion.

    My newest Opinion, Fresh from my brain... All your statements in regards to how DEVASTATOR should be taller and standing up and his sand attack makes no sense are basically not useful because *YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE OR THE SCENE IN ITS INTIRETY* so you have no idea if it makes sense, or works or why he is even doing those things. That is my opinion and because it is my opinion, it isn't ever wrong.
     
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  6. AutobotSkids

    AutobotSkids G1/Bay Lover

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    DUDE!! YOUR AVATAR!! THAT IS FREAKING HILARIOUS!! Where did you get that?
     
  7. iceburn9

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    I grew up with G1 on Saturday mornings. I remember looking forward to the weekends in anticipation of a new episode of Transformers. I loved the characters and everything about that cartoon.

    But then again, I feel the movieverse is a refreshing change. Taking it to the next level, so to speak. Although its based on a cartoon, its no longer a cartoon but a full-fledged live action movie. And I understand that means certain consessions and sacrifices have to be made to make it believable. It has to convince a large audience, including people who never heard of Transformers before, not just the TF fans.

    Much as I loved G1, i'm pretty open and acceptable to new interpretations and depictions of the characters I grew up watching. I'm one who always embrace change, be it good or bad, for I never believe in clinging to the past out of nostalgia or sentiment.

    And because of that, I enjoy the movieverse immensely. Even though the character personalities are different, their designs are radical, I've grown to love them. And to be honest, I love them more than G1. When I look at the movie robots, it gives me a sense of 'hey this is what an alien robotic race might look like if they existed'.

    But then again, I guess some people are more open to change than others. Luckily I'm one of them, and it allows me to fully enjoy the movie.

    As for Devastator on all fours, I remember someone postulating that if he was a biped and stood up, most shots would need to be wide angle long range shots. Thus it would be hard for him to interact with the smaller characters in any given frame. But with him on all fours, you can get him close to the ground where the other characters are.

    Not saying this is definitively why the producers made him gorilla-like, but it sure seems a plausible and logical theory to me.
     
  8. Autobus Prime

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    GetR didn't say those things, though. I did. :D  He did say something about the stance, but not this. He didn't have a problem with the quadrupedal stance per se.

    I didn't say the height and sand-attack were altogether bad, just that they weren't altogether natural for that kind of monster-archetype...didn't take advantage of the visual strengths of such a design. I tried to back this up with an explanation.

    The scene might work really well...I just think there are a few strikes against the batter. Naturally I haven't seen it, but I don't see why that stop me from discussing things like this.

    ib9:

    That sounds really plausible. You would have to alternate between long shots of Dev doing stuff (smashing, stomping, playing a giant accordion) and closer shots of the characters doing stuff, with only parts of Dev visible. I think I would really like this, though. It could be very dramatic.

    Even crouching, he's probably big enough for this to be necessary.
     
  9. Surge

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    Hypocrite. You keep trying to tell everyone to be more respectful and what do you do? You use a word that offends the mentally challenged.

    By the way, we don't want to hear you bitch about the movie designs. Why? You haven't even SEEN the movie yet. Atleast watch the movie before you start complaining.
     
  10. roy_flagg00

    roy_flagg00 I want more life....

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    wow, Bay's Brownshirts out in force!

    listen getter, here's how it works.
    you voice a reasonable opinion.
    the brownshirst come out and bash you right out the gate, using a mix of snark, sarcasm, and the wilful ability to act as if they don't understand the point you are trying to make.
    you nevertheless try to defend your point, and try to keep the discussion on topic.
    the brownshirst continue to post backhanded comments that amount to
    "STFU. bayformers is the only way it can be done"
    you lose patience, and then they paint you as a stark reving lunatic or pathetic fanboy.

    believe me, they are on the lookout for any thread or post that is in anyway critical of their most cherished movie and there great leader, the Bay.
    they will try to mercilessly stomp out any opinion that does not fall in line.
    all in all, :trolls: 

    back to your original point. I was at first critical of the designs, but they have grown on me since the first movie. I think the lack of variety of color actually matches pretty well if the goal was realism.

    I will also say that While the CG stills are an important part of the overall picture, they are not the whole picture. I myself am going to wait to see how models like the fallen look in motion, because if i just go by the cg still, I will :puke: 
     
  11. iamamachine

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    My main disappointments are :
    1. The Fallen I believe has teleportation and telekinetic powers but he was too easily defeated.
    2. The giant sized Devastator was also too easily defeated. Even if broken apart, he should've been able to reform.
    3. Megatron was also too easily defeated. Even Starscream went down too fast.
    4. The rest of the Decepticons had no fight in them and just became cannon fodder.
    5. Too few casualties on the Autobot side.

    The fights in TF1 were more believable. The fights in TF2 looked fixed to the disadvantage of the Decepticons.
     
  12. Master Fwiffo

    Master Fwiffo Bonecrusher Hates You

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    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you proof that he is complaining just for the sake of complaining. Monochrome sucks! But I don't like other colors!

    Fail.

    What we have here is the Whining Martyr type troll. He goes out, flamebaits a board, and then goes 'Whhhhhyyyyy is everyone picking on meeeeeeeeee' when people lash back out, all while claiming to have 'been respectful'. Laugh at him then move on.
     
  13. roy_flagg00

    roy_flagg00 I want more life....

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    damn. you kinda have a good point. but then again,
    :poop  brown and :puke:  green (or booger, taker your pick)
    kinda bother me to as colors. seems to me that maybe he is wondering why there could not be more of a variety of basic colors as opposed to colors they must have pulled from the opening of "saved by the bell".
     
  14. FriskyPinewood

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    And whats the point of defending something if you haven't seen it yet?


    This ain't rocket science folks.

    You see the films trailer...You are allowed to decide if you want to see it or not. You are allowed to have an opinion about the actual film basied on the trailer. You are even allowed to moderate your own level of excitement for it.

    Same goes for ANY news concerning the film. From cast to director to preproduction art. And any personnel history and special knowledge is allowed to color that opinion. This is your freedom as a sentient being.

    You are excited for ROTF, we understand. But takeing the OP to task for not yet seeing the film in forming his opinion. Is just as foolish as defending a film you have not seen yet either. You both have seen the trailers, preproduction art, toys, and whatnot...and come away with decidedly different opinions, excitment and intrest levels in the film...And that is perfectly okay, so deal with it.
     
  15. Autobus Prime

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    MF:

    Now, Fwiffo,he said a lot more than just that, and I thought he raised some interesting points. He specifically listed the mechs he thought were too monochrome.

    Skids and Mudflap were in a separate paragraph, even, and he said that he didn't like their particular colors. Mudflap, I admit, isn't all that bright; he's a sort of tomato red, but it's possible that GetR just finds that particular hue icky. Skids is not an incredibly pleasant shade of green, either.

    I've said it before; I don't think we can cut down a whole post wholesale based on isolated contradictions. I think that's pedantic and wrong. Rather than disparage a poster we don't agree with, isn't it more pleasant and productive to discuss his points and defend our own?
     
  16. Mister Gone

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    The title of this thread should be:
    "My disappointment with the sequel trailers"
     
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    Thank you! I don't agree with the OP, but I don't want to fist fight over who's right. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Our opinions should be heard and respected, and in return, we should do the same for others.
     
  18. the (H)i(GH)con

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    roy flagg00--You speak the truth. That's half the reason I read these boards. It's funny how people can get so bent out of shape when others don't bow before the almighty Bay. I made that mistake by voicing my opinions on Animated, until I quickly realised that most of the people on the TWF boards share a common philosophy with the "above the influence" commercials on tv lately- Think for yourself, by thinking exactly the way we tell you to.
     
  19. nkelsch

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    No one is saying Bow down to bay... they are just pointing out people are criticizing things based upon hearsay and not something they have actually experienced.

    This has nothing to do with Bay, it has to do with irrational hatred based upon *nothing* opposed to actually watching the movies and being able to actually have a frame of reference to criticize what they are talking about.

    No one is actually defending anything... People who would say 'I LOVE ROTF!' would be just as absurd as they haven't actually seen it yet and can't make any statements based upon anything except other people's hearsay.
     
  20. FriskyPinewood

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    Wait. So the OPs opinions on the ROTF designs, and his feelings on how this informs his opinion of the film, is basied on hearsay?

    Its irrational hatred?

    Its basied on *nothing*?

    Sorry, but this same *nothingness* has been fueling your own desire to take him to task over his opinions.


    You hear about the movie, you hear about the cast, you see images of the toys, and watch the trailer. He has formed a different opinion than you.

    He doesn't even need the same frame of reference to discuss his opinions on a film he has/hasn't even seen yet. This is the internet, baby. Just words on a screen. Deal with it.
     
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