How will GM's probable bankruptcy affect TF3?

Ruthie · 05-31-2009, 05:55 PM

Paramount may have to pay millions to GM for the use of all of the applicable Autobot's alt modes. If they were smart, Paramount would use this as an opportunity to have the Autobots reformat.

Ash from Carolina · 05-31-2009, 06:11 PM

Even though GM will be scaling back it's brands and the models it will be building they don't give up the rights on the cars they have built in the past just because they scaled back for bankruptcy. So if they don't mind using older cars instead of brand new cars then there is an entire fleet of car models to chose from.

Although given the direction the US government is pushing all automakers on fuel efficiency it's likely we'd see more Autobots as smaller cars even if GM wasn't going into bankruptcy by the third film. Looks like we'll see fewer large cars and trucks from the automakers and a push toward more small cars.

Superion33 · 06-01-2009, 09:49 AM

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GM has yet to confirm it will seek Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection but scheduled a news conference for Monday in New York.

Chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Code frees a company from the threat of creditors' lawsuits while it reorganizes its finances. Unless the court rules otherwise, the debtor remains in control of the business and its assets. The reorganization plan must be accepted by a majority of the company's creditors.

If all goes the way it is headed, they will not fold, merely scale back and restructure.

Well, at least now all the uncertainty is removed of whether GM is or isn't going to file for bankruptcy.

Ash from Carolina · 06-01-2009, 09:56 AM

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Well, at least now all the uncertainty is removed of whether GM is or isn't going to file for bankruptcy.

I'm just wondering how people remained uncertain when all the steps GM was making were to make for a smoother bankruptcy to save the suppliers.

Superion33 · 06-01-2009, 10:09 AM

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JuicyNo · 06-01-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruthie

Paramount may have to pay millions to GM for the use of all of the applicable Autobot's alt modes. If they were smart, Paramount would use this as an opportunity to have the Autobots reformat.

Reformatting all of the Autobots would be an awful idea at this point. I would certainly like to see the Autobot alt modes branch beyond GM vehicles, but for contuinity's sake, the established alt modes should stay the same.

And GM will not require millions of dollars for the use of the alt modes. GM needs TF more than TF needs GM. Corporations learned this lesson after Mars wanted a ridiculous amount of money for M&Ms to be used in ET (the scene where Eliot lays down the candy to lure ET into the house). The filmmakers told Mars to screw themselves and used Reeses Pieces, resulting in a massive sales boost for Reeses. Corporations began to catch on to how powerful an advertising tool product placement in blockbuster films could be.

HIM666fan · 06-01-2009, 10:28 AM

Ya im doubhting anything will effect the next film.. GM will be bought... the question is will it stay GM or change names thast the big question... and i would deff have no worries there will be a TF3 exsepcially ifthis film is a huge HIT like its looking it will be!!

Best thing that could happen would be a huge break for other companies to get there cars included in the film that would be about it

Tell_Story · 06-01-2009, 10:29 AM

When you file Bankruptcy all contracts are null and void. Most importantly it affects the Unions, so GM won't have to put up with them anymore, but I'm sure they can make exemptions if they want. It would seem to me Transformers works as an advertising scheme for GM. I don't know who cost effective it is, but its a stronger placement advertising than usual.

nkelsch · 06-01-2009, 11:11 AM

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Its a simple arguing tactic, really. Denial is very effective. No matter how strong the case may be or how many signs point to a certain outcome, people will still claim that one in million chance that it might not happen. The poster who made that post is an admitted Pontiac fan, so I could see his motivation for wanting to smooth over any negative perceptions of GM. I honestly do feel his pain at his favorite car company not existing anymore.

Its somewhat similar to arguments used when people see an image of TFs for the new movies. The initial reaction will be bad, but people will say for it to be seen in CGI, or full CGI, or "in context", or in a theater setting, etc. What people don't realize though is that the negative reaction might have nothing to do with CGI or context or any of that and is an overall dislike for the general design aesthetic. However, no such comments will be made when someone simply gushes over a design.

I hope you aren't implying that it was because of the US government that we're going towards small cars. Last year's incredibly high gas prices had nothing to do with the US government. US consumers on their own made the decision that small cars were preferable in this new period of high gas prices. If anything, the government is helping these lost companies realize that the era of big and inefficient is over. Its very sad when the government has to tell private enterprise how to be efficient. Shows how far the pendulum has swung too far towards private enterprise.

Some people have already stated that the era of "peak oil" is already here or will be here within the next 10 years. No matter how much we drill or mine or pump, we will be producing less and less oil and gas. A smart man would move towards other sources of energy now.

I honestly don't like GM for their prefernce on SUVs and trucks. I do not buy their argument that these are necessary vehicles for America. Besides the fact that America is the fattest nation in the world, I see no reason for such a monstrosity as an SUV.

1) People claim they need the extra space. I drive a Honda Fit. After having driven a Honda Accord (midsize) and a Honda Civic (compact), my Fit (subcompact) has the most space out of all 3 due to its hatchback design. Due to its fold flat seats, I've been able to move 3 separate times without having to buy a moving fan or trailer.

Look at Europe. Quite a few there are are Scandinavian - thus taller average height than US citizens. Yet they drive smaller cars than us. The idea of a truck in Europe is completely alien to them. They have the same 2.1 kids as us, and are able to fit all their children into their cars. Europeans play soccer and other sports, and are able to fit all their sporting equipment into their cars. I simply do not buy the fact that you need a monstrous, giant sized SUV to do all these things.

2) The selfishness of safety. Its a simple race to the bottom for I gotta get mine before you get yours. I am gonna protect myself however I need to, so I am going to get the biggest machine on the road. To protect myself. But they don't realize that they are then putting others at risk due to their purchase. If an SUV were to hit a subcompact, and it was the SUV driver's fault, the people in the subcompact would be severely hurt. Thus, what happens? The subcompact driver sells his subcompact and buys an SUV bigger than the first person's SUV. Then a third guy sees 2 hulking SUVs driving around his area and sells his midsize car to get a Hummer. After the end of many cycles of this, some lunatic purchases a dump truck so that he has the ultimate protection for him and his family.

The smart idea would be to drive sensibly and defensively, but that is forgotten. You could make this analogy with anything. Guns being bought. Nuclear weapons being proliferated. Its a sad phenomenon.

3) The environment. force=mass x acceleration. Or in other words, acceleration= force / mass So to make something accelerate faster, you either have to increase the force (engine size) or decrase its mass (weight). Thus, small cars are more efficient than larger cars as they need less energy to accelerate the same amount since they weigh less. The arguments for smaller, more fuel efficient cars has been made many times before, so I won't rehash that. However, I would like to point out that in our culture, SUV commercials speak of "dominating" nature, not living in harmony with it. The naturalist interested in conservation in his Jeep is not shown. Instead, belligerence is shown by people ripping apart nature to show man's dominance over it. Instead of preserving nature and helping it grow peacefully, commercials depict trucks ripping apart habitats for the enjoyment of the driver. I am all for SUVs, as I believe they definitely have their place. However, I hope they go back towards being about being FOR nature and not FOR opulence, selfishness, and belligerence.

Your rantings are political opinions that have nothing to do with the transformers Movie and are against the rules to discuss.

Dran0n · 06-01-2009, 11:25 AM

If it does go under maybe Bay will get a contract with another car company.