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Old 07-19-2008, 01:35 PM   #11
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Transformers: living organism?
Are you serious?!
They're not cyborgs. They are pure robots.
Here we go again with the stupid theory that TFs are almost like us people.
An artificial intelligence, even if smarter than us, is still artificial.
If Ratchet could do a backup of Optimus system memory, he could install an identical copy of Prime on another endoskeleton.
Problem is recreating a new body outside of Cybertron.
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Old 07-19-2008, 01:47 PM   #12
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Transformers: living organism?
Are you serious?!
They're not cyborgs. They are pure robots.
Here we go again with the stupid theory that TFs are almost like us people.
An artificial intelligence, even if smarter than us, is still artificial.
If Ratchet could do a backup of Optimus system memory, he could install an identical copy of Prime on another endoskeleton.
Problem is recreating a new body outside of Cybertron.
They ARE living organisms. Organisms does only mean cyborgs or carbon-based life.

"Autonomous robotic organisms" ringing any bells?
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Old 07-19-2008, 04:54 PM   #13
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They ARE living organisms. Organisms does only mean cyborgs or carbon-based life.

"Autonomous robotic organisms" ringing any bells?
That line is fictional.
I don't understand why you defend so strongly to have the TFs so human-like.
For you, they must:
- talk like humans
- move like humans
- die like humans
Can't they just be stealth robots? It would make them feel more realistic.
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Old 07-19-2008, 05:37 PM   #14
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That line is fictional.
I don't understand why you defend so strongly to have the TFs so human-like.
For you, they must:
- talk like humans
- move like humans
- die like humans
Can't they just be stealth robots? It would make them feel more realistic.
Everything in Transformers is fictional. Transformers are fictional.

Wait a minute - you DON'T want Transformer that talk, move or die like humans? So they should speak in Cybertronian all the time, have 6 legs and crawl along the ground, and vaporize when they die. Transformers have ALWAYS been human-like. They have a head, bipedal form of 2 legs and 2 arms. I don't know any Transformer that doesn't move like a human while in robot mode. As highly sophisticated creatures with sentience and a large body, it would make sense to have more than just simple "battery and computer" aka spark and brain.

ALL living creatures have more than that. Even ants have more than just a heart and a brain. They have glands and rectum etc. It would make sense that a Transformer would have more than a spark chamber and processing unit. An energy absorbtion unit? An internal cooling system? A nervous system? This is the movie-verse. It's already established this isn't like Beast Wars or any other cartoon series - Transformer WILL die and they're not as tolerant as to survive being blown to tiny little bits. This more realistic approach can be rationalized if movie-verse Transformers aren't that simple and are very complex like a real multi-cellular organism should.

And what do you even mean by 'stealth robots'?

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Old 07-21-2008, 07:29 AM   #15
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I find that transformers are generally only as dead as the writer wants them to be. Anything from 'dead is dead' to 'easily restored' and between is possible in the TF universe, just depends on how the particular writer feels.

And once again, I must point out that it's the human qualities of TF characters that have made them so enduringly popular and able to inspire 20+ years of devotion from their fans.
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Old 07-21-2008, 10:07 AM   #16
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I find that transformers are generally only as dead as the writer wants them to be. Anything from 'dead is dead' to 'easily restored' and between is possible in the TF universe, just depends on how the particular writer feels.
Yep... see: TF the movie's Prime dies from severe wounds, while Ultra Magnus (who was blown to PIECES) is put back together in minutes and better than ever! That's just ludicris, BUT it's what serves the story needing to be told... I think.
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Old 07-21-2008, 10:08 AM   #17
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I find that transformers are generally only as dead as the writer wants them to be. Anything from 'dead is dead' to 'easily restored' and between is possible in the TF universe, just depends on how the particular writer feels.

And once again, I must point out that it's the human qualities of TF characters that have made them so enduringly popular and able to inspire 20+ years of devotion from their fans.
That and quiet a few of the popular ones have very strong well defined personalities for people to connect with/find interesting.

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Old 07-21-2008, 12:47 PM   #18
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(referred to human-like TFs):

Whatever... for me is just lame.
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:16 PM   #19
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Transformers: living organism?
Are you serious?!
They're not cyborgs. They are pure robots.
Here we go again with the stupid theory that TFs are almost like us people.
An artificial intelligence, even if smarter than us, is still artificial.
If Ratchet could do a backup of Optimus system memory, he could install an identical copy of Prime on another endoskeleton.
Problem is recreating a new body outside of Cybertron.
They've always been living sentient organisms. They're essentially mechanical organisms. Secondly they're not artifical.

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They ARE living organisms. Organisms does only mean cyborgs or carbon-based life.

"Autonomous robotic organisms" ringing any bells?
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Everything in Transformers is fictional. Transformers are fictional.

Wait a minute - you DON'T want Transformer that talk, move or die like humans? So they should speak in Cybertronian all the time, have 6 legs and crawl along the ground, and vaporize when they die. Transformers have ALWAYS been human-like. They have a head, bipedal form of 2 legs and 2 arms. I don't know any Transformer that doesn't move like a human while in robot mode. As highly sophisticated creatures with sentience and a large body, it would make sense to have more than just simple "battery and computer" aka spark and brain.

ALL living creatures have more than that. Even ants have more than just a heart and a brain. They have glands and rectum etc. It would make sense that a Transformer would have more than a spark chamber and processing unit. An energy absorbtion unit? An internal cooling system? A nervous system? This is the movie-verse. It's already established this isn't like Beast Wars or any other cartoon series - Transformer WILL die and they're not as tolerant as to survive being blown to tiny little bits. This more realistic approach can be rationalized if movie-verse Transformers aren't that simple and are very complex like a real multi-cellular organism should.

And what do you even mean by 'stealth robots'?

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True. Transformers have every characteristic of a human, the only two differences are. They're mechanical and they can turn into vehicles, plus they can do even more than humans can do. They have internal organs similar to ours, they are humanoid beings. Why can't some people just accept that fact?
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:01 PM   #20
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I look at it this way. Transformers is a comic/cartoon based movie. Just like Spiderman, X-men or the Hulk, etc.
In other words death is merely an inconvenience.
Prof X is still alive, so is Doc Oc and Venom, and most likely so is Jazz ,Megatron, Brawl, and all of the gang.
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