Why is there a Transformers 5? Why is Michael Bay even back as director? Why is there going to be a cinematic universe?? Why hasn't there been a real reboot?? Why didn't they stop after TF3? Better yet TF2??

While that was somewhat satire, I honestly want to know, why do Hasbro and Paramount keep making these movies? All these movies get are extreme hate! We are the only people who actually enjoy these films, and most of us still acknowledge the movies with poor story and continuity. The reason why I'm even making this thread is because everywhere on the Internet, except for TFW and the TFmovie Instagram, the only comments I'm reading are negative. EVERYTHING negative!! And still, people on here and Instagram still point out the films' flaws or bash the films over and over. While I love the TF movies, and I love Michael Bay as director, I just don't get why they keep making these movies. The majority of the general audience HATES them. Every news article comment I read about TF5 is a criticism or ridicule about the films. On just about every YouTube video I watch, the comments are filled with 50-60% ridicule. "The Transformers movies are DUMB, for ******S, Michael Bay is only good at EXPLOSIONS, justifying statutory rape, OVERSEXUALIZING underage girls, sex jokes, goofy comedy..." The crazy part is, those things aren't even true. But, if that's how most people feel, than why do Paramount and Hasbro keep making these films.

I really love Michael Bay's TF films. I was never a G1 person. My first experience of Transformers was the 2007 movie, but I have to admit, that these films do not reflect G1 in anyway. Should they? No. But honestly, from the beginning the movies should have been reflective of G1. I personally find G1 to be a very childish and stupid cartoon. Yet, I believe that the movies should honestly stay true to its source material.

IMO, they should just finish the TF Michael Bay films after TF7 in 2019. Finish the cinematic universe there, and then wait ten or twenty years to reboot them. Make the reboot a G1 accurate film like the original fans want, and don't include so much action. in order to get people to stop hating on the Transformers film franchise, they'd have to deviate away from Bayformers as much as possible. People just simply hate the Transformers films.
The few who enjoy them are little kids, and TF fans like myself and others on TFW; the BO numbers are dropping domestically; I wouldn't be surprised if the international numbers were to drop too; and, no matter whether the script is great for TF5 or not; Whether or not TF5 is a high quality film, even an Oscar worthy film, people aren't going to acknowledge it. Why? Look at TF4. People may hate that film, but one thing you cannot argue against is that it has a fantastic script and story structure. I mean it's story is just phenomenal. I can go as far as making a list of similarities it's story structure has with The Dark Knight Rises, but that's for another thread. Yet, regardless of this if you read critics and audience reviews at RT, they say it's the worst Transformers. I've even read several reviews where it's obvious that the reviewer is in fucking denial of TF4 being a quality film. It's like people just don't want to acknowledge the possiblity that the TF films could be good, and therefore they never will if the films continue to be attached to the series that Michael Bay started with the "sex jokes, Megan Fox, annoying Sam Witwicky, goofy humor, dog humping, robot testicles, etc."

Now do I really give a shit about what people think? No. Do I really give a shit about the TF franchise as a Hasbro product beginning with G1? Hell no. I just like the Michael Bay films. Nevertheless, I find the negativity around the films to be just so disheartening and distracting, i just feel that the movies should be scraped. And for Transformers as a film franchise to be highly recognized, the current series would have to be rebooted for a new generation ten years from now, with a focus on being G1-accurate.

I don't really know where I went with this. I just really have gotten fed up with the criticism surrounding the films. It's unforgivable. The only option I see to getting the TF films properly acknowledged for being quality films (or atleast being acknowledged for having quality aspects to them, which the definitely have), there needs to be a fresh reboot. New designs (like WOC and FOC designs), new story, new timeline, new everything. I wouldn't care for the reboot if it were to be done in this way, cause like I said I don't even like G1, but I know that it's more than likely the best route for Transformers as a live action movie property.
One more thing, I somewhat thought of this from the idea that maybe TF5 would be the film to turn the criticism surrounding the franchise around. For instance, I figured TF5 could possibly get a 90% at RT call me crazy. Given the writer's room, the new screenwriters, etc. I have a strong belief that TF5 could mark the beginning of all around quality TF films within the movie canon starting with the 2007 film. I figured this could potentially be recognized by most critics, which would give the TF film franchise a better rep. But honestly, after reading the TF4 reviews, and reading the negative comments about TF5 across the Internet, I just don't think anyone would ever want to review Transformers positively, even if TF5 is legitimately a Grade A film.
It's sad but whatever.

And as fans, I know to most of us that what others think about the films doesn't matter, but seriously I have to admit that while this is rational, it is also true that general criticism of the movies does give a sense of a seemingly wider and more official reception.

 

How about, Why did you bother with this thread?

 

I ain't reading all that

 

Do you understand that Transformers is literally a billion dollar grossing franchise?

 

Honestly, me neither. I saw a bunch of "they suck, people hate it, it should've been g1" and that's enough for me.

 

How about if you read the whole thing you'd find out that I love the movies and part of what I said is satire. And if you don't like the thread then just leave. If you don't have anything constructive to say than go about your business. This doesn't concern any part of you.

 

The whole "they suck, people hate it" is me referencing others' opinions. If you cared to read it then you'd see that I love the Michael Bay films but am simply concerned as to why they keep making them since most people including G1 fans hate it. Also, while I love the Michael Bay films (and contrarily dislike G1) I feel that movie properties should respect source material.

 

"Most people hate it" somehow = MULTIBILLION DOLLAR MOVIES, lolfail.

>_>

 

Let's observe the domestic numbers. International really doesn't count, as AOE simply catered to non US territories that brought in an international audience. AOE still had a lower gross revenue than DOTM.

ROTF - 400m
DOTM - 300m
AOE - 200m

So what fail are you talking about?? Yeah I thought so.

 

Because unnecessary satuatory rape jokes and the completely non-sequitir elevator sequence is the hallmark of quality storytelling apparently.

I think I need to see this before I die, because I don't know how those two films are even comparable. Other than the fact they're inferior to the previous films (Dark Knight simply has Heath Ledger owning the Joker role while TDKR just has Tom Hardy mumbling for the entire film) as far as I personally am concerned, which should come as no surprise to many who do like TF4 since my bias isn't exactly subtle on the topic.

Wow, you actually didn't read his post why he says it's partially satire   Even when somebody is on your side you find cause to insult them.

 

Because international money somehow doesn't count as real money.

That's why AoE and other movies that cater to other countries. It's called knowing your audience.

So uh, that fail. That exact one.

In b4 "But it's still not that much money/foreign profit isn't as great compared to the exchange rate/Chinese milk is bad for you/Domestic needs to make more than Foreign/Armchair financial statistics/Any derivative of the above.

Because if it wasn't still somehow profitable, we wouldn't be where we are today. Fact.

 

Are you blind? Even with the international numbers DOTM still has more than AOE. Plus, I didn't include non US numbers because I'm talking about US critical reception. If I'm talking about the general reception of the films in the US, than it only makes sense to focus on the US numbers. And like I said, AOE catered toward Hong Kong and China, which is a big reason why it even made $1 billion. So, again, there is no fail. Just please, if you don't anything constructive to say about the post I wrote, or have any intention to speak about my post maturely, than just go about your business.

 

i don't see how any of my post was immature, especially when your first response to it is some sort of attempt at insulting me.

Are you blind? because again it's two things:

- Knowing your audience
- Still being profitable enough to continue this venture

Regardless of your opinion, when you're talking about profit, you can't say that foreign income doesn't count, because it does. If your original point was regarding general reception in the US alone, you didn't post that. You just posted domestic income and then said that anything else should be disregarded.

Which it shouldn't.

 

I wasn't insulting you. I said "are you blind?" as a sarcastic response to you not seeming to recognize the fact that even counting international numbers AOE has lower gross than DOTM. Don't even try to act like you took it as an insult. You came off negative, so I rightfully got irritated, and said something borderline iffy.

And, in my response I didn't need to indicate that I was referencing US reception because in this thread OP it is indicated that I am.

When I said immature I was mostly referring to the other comments made in this thread. Can we just have a balanced discussion on here? Shit.

 

What is the point of this thread?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k98mh8yCHMM

 

Because Hasbro and Paramount got to have money.