Look on how many big movies are underperforming lately: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, X-Men Apocalypse, Independence Day 2 just to mentioned some.

 

+ Plus how decent it looks...

 

Um, mate? NOTHING - not sequels, prequels, spinoffs, remakes, reboots, midquels, "original ideas", tentpoles, indies, etc. - not ANY film being made - including TF5/6/7 - is guaranteed to be anything. So obvious, so misleading of a thread title.

Also like the others said.

 

if it's good they will come

 

TMNT 2 and ID 2 had good marketings

But still they underperformers. We shouldn't underestimate what audience like these days. I think most people are tired of the destruction city movies.

 

How screwed up has this society become that we can look at a movie that has earned HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars and say "Wow, what a disappointment at the box office." ? Like???? Holy crap let's just give up on paper money and go back to the barter system lol.

 

Do you ever post about anything else? It's a serious question, because your posts are basically either "Make the movies like G1" or "These movies probably won't do very well."

I mean, we get it. You're stating the obvious here, for any type of media.

 

I'm sure that if there's some action in China it will help attract customers. AOE did so, and DOTM had a Chinese building digitally planted in Chicago. Both became very successful.

And beyond that, the Transformer fans will come to see it, the numbers have steadily increased with each film and with the new shows coming out.

 

Films bomb for a number of reasons, you can't just attribute it to "audiences don't like destruction films" because that's not the only reason why. For instance, Independence Day Resurgence bombed for a variety of reasons, like: the lack of a clear lead, poor marketing that relied on nostalgia, being about 15 years too late and poor reviews.

 

thats my biggest worry for the next film, as it seems people are now listing to critics more than ever,

 

Well.. When movies cost so much to make, advertise, and market.. Yeah, hundreds of millions of dollars can still be considered underperforming.

If these movies don't start getting better, I think they're going to start having trouble getting people to see them.

There's real competition now, competition that people generally like and review favorably.

At some point these movies are going to need to be about more than explosions.

 

Well the 4th movie is on the right track since there was more focus on the Transformers.

 

i think tf1 was not only a success but over-performed expectations...then came film 2 & leading into the film the expectations were through the roof due to how well tf1 turned out...the massive 108.9m opening weekend (despite opening on a wednesday) was & it still is astounding...& a testament to how well film 1 was perceived (tf1 opened to 70.7m on a wednesday in july 07)

unfortunately world-of-mouth was nowhere near as strong for tf2

tf3 came along &, again, it appeared as if initial interest was strong (97.8m opening) again, despite opening on a wednesday is a great number but you could see the damage done by tf2 (a last minute date change from 7/1 to 6/29 didn't help either) i think 3 left a bad taste in everyone's mouth & everyone, including the film staff were of the assumption this series was finished.

then tf4 comes out of nowhere really & it opened to 100.0m opening on a friday which isn't as good as the other numbers & finished domestically alarmingly below the 3 previous films..4 could have had the fatigue-effect of 'is this a reboot or a sequel?'...it never really explained itself properly in my opinion in the trailer & gone were many of the characters from earlier films.

this film is a critical gauge as to where this film franchise stands, at least in the us, but as we all know us box office doesn't mean anywhere near what it used to a decade ago.

tf4 had the first real-cliffhanger ending (although one could have argued tf1 did with starscream but that ended up not being what was expected) so let's see what kind of impact, if any that has on tf5.

 

I'll agree with that. But I think the time focussed on them could've been better spent. It seems there were just too many one note lines and very little quality dialogue.

I just feel that there's no heart behind them, it just seems like there's little effort put into the characters aside from stereotypes.

I don't know, I feel that none of the transformers have much of a relationship with one another.

 

the best scenes we got with transformer-to-transformer dialogue was probably in transformers 1 at the observatory with ironhide, ratchet, jazz, & prime locating the allspark location via witwicky's glasses.

as for the decepticons..hm..i GUESS the best scene we got was in film 3 of megatron, starscream, soundwave, & laserbeak discussing their plans in africa

 

If TLK gets ROTF or AOE type reviews (hell even DOTM type) than I do believe that the film will have trouble reaching 200 million domestically. Now more than ever people look at rotten tomatoes before deciding to see a movie.

Internationally the film will be fine but the days of the series being a lock for 300 million + stateside are long gone.

 

If there were sure things then there would never be the entertainment news headlines about an unexpected hit or an unexpected bomb. It's also hard to know exactly when some sort of hot trend is going to fizzle out because if you had asked people in the height of the Westerns craze if there would be a day with almost no Westerns they would think you had lost your mind.

But if any studio says they are not worried after this year they are just telling you a massive lie. Domestically things haven't been where the Hollywood studios would like. Can they lure people back next year or will people say 2016 was blah so I'll continue to stay away in 2017? Studios will have to put a lot of effort into convincing potential ticket buyers that summer 2017 will not be a repeat of summer 2016.

The international market isn't looking like the sure bail out it once was. When Batman v Superman couldn't bring in the domestic numbers they needed everyone thought for sure that the international market could push it over the one billion mark only to fall short. International numbers are tricky as hell to predict so I don't even attempt to wild guess the international numbers on any film.

Things could also get tougher in China as the Chinese studios have really caught onto the idea of hey we can dominate the home market with our films. The Mermaid this year made $526 million at home in China so there should be a worry that the homegrown Chinese films will flood out the American import films.

Domestically I'm worried if Transformers 5 will even crack the domestic top 10 list without marketing finding a way to turn around the domestic trend. Internationally I have no idea if it will be the numbers Paramount wants or not.

 

The first Turtles wasn't a huge box office success, the X-Men franchise has never been huge, and Independence Day 2 is marketed only to those who saw the first one, which honestly most teenagers today haven't and they are a huge demographic that contributes to the success of a movie. Transformers will always make money, always.

 

TLK will be the greatest film, in the history of cinema! Drops mic.

 

We'll see in 2017

Never heard the quote: Nothing last forever? Judging from recent trends of big movies underperforms, I wouldn't be so sure about that.