Ok first of all no Grimlock wasn't like a wild animal, he had been held upside down in basically a prison cell for who knows how long. Then after Optimus frees him he straight up threatens him and the other dinobots into joining him.

I sure as hell wouldn't be happy if someone did that me.

 

For somebody who wasn't like a wild animal, Grimlock sure acted like it. Besides, Optimus didn't have time for diplomacy - Galvatron was making his move on Shanghai as they spoke, and Optimus needed all the help he could get. It ain't perfect, but then again, neither were the circumstances. You work with the tools that you're given, and the movie Autobots, especially from DotM onward, are usually behind the eight ball.

 

I'm with bellpeppers and Honorbound here. Grimlock and the Dinobots very well may be sentient, but sentient or not they are still brutes with the personalities of dinosaurs. Grimlock probably wouldn't understand politically correct, Mr. Rogers-esque speech. Prime needed Grimlock to understand that not fighting against the forces of Galvatron, the Creators and Lockdown would have serious consequences for the Dinobots as well as the regular Autobots. Prime had no intention of hurting them; he just needed them on his side for their sake and his and humanity's.

 

Thing is, I would expect even the older Cybertronians to be able to..well, speak.

This would have all been much easier to make sense of if they just had Grimlock speak on behalf of the Dinobots as a group, as a leader should. Then we could both establish Grimlock as the leader and further the knight theme without reducing the Dinobots to essentially giant brutes.

Even G1 Grimlock, one of the densest Autobots, could understand and verbally communicate with other characters on equal-ish footing minus some pronoun hiccups. Movieverse Grimlock is basically just a Steeljaw with a robot mode that turns into a dinosaur; no real indication of sapience, just feral instinct.

 

I'm not even going to bother trying to explain this anymore, because the bayformers fans really need to take off their fan goggles and see just how bad these movies are.

If you like the movies that's fine I don't care, but don't sit here and argue with me about bad scenes from movies that are just bad to begin with.

I'm not saying this to be mean or anything, but I'm saying this because in some ways this is the truth. There's nothing wrong with liking bad movies, dozens of people like bad movies even me.

Even though I hate the movies overall there are still somethings I like about them. Forgive me for going off topic.

 

Thank You.

 

Or maybe you just need to take off the goggles period and pay better attention to the movie?

It's pretty cut and dry. The Knights are nothing like the Dinobots of G1. They're feral, and they seem to prefer to stay in their dino modes even.

And yeah, we'll "sit here and argue" because that's what you do on a discussion board. If you can't handle what the other side says, don't engage in the discussion. Pretty simple.

Which part of going off-topic though? How you hate the movies, didn't understand the scene, how movie fans need to "remove their goggles", or resorting to generic insults because you don't like the counter-argument you received.

If you're going to say and think what's on your mind, fine. But either listen to the argument and respond or just don't respond. Saying "don't argue with me" is basically telling the other guy to shut up and you're putting your hands over your ears going "lalalalalala I don't want to hear it!"

Which is not how discussion works.

Who knows how'd they react if they were upside down for thousands of years in damn near solitary confinement. The psyche can bend and break and they could have forgotten how to talk, didn't want to talk, or whatever. Granted, not talking sucked, but it wouldn't have changed the outcome of anything most likely.

Prime: Join us or die

Grimlock: Orly? We'll see about that.

And then... scene.

That was what they were going for, giant brutes. They prefer to be in their dino modes anyway, as shown then leaving through the forest at the end in their dino modes, and Grimlock resorting to his dino mode to actually fight with. Clearly they're more comfortable with it.

And feral instinct is clearly what was wanted. This isn't G1, so the comparison fails.

Again, I think talking would have been awesome, but I still don't see OP and Grim "talking it out" because these Knights were designed to be feral from the beginning.

 

I'm a fan of the movies and I know exactly how bad these movies are. Thing is, us "bayformer fans" have the ability to enjoy a movie regardless of it's qualities. If we feel they're worth talking about or debating, we will. So how about staying on topic.

 

KingMegatron632: Trust me, most Bayverse fans are well aware of the movies' flaws. We also see the good parts, too.

 

Don't put words in my mouth that I haven't said yet and don't make assumptions about me that aren't true. I don't know you and you don't know me ok lets just leave it at that shall we.

I'm very well aware of what people can and can't like and I don't force people to like something they don't want to like. I wasn't throwing a tantrum either I was just stating the obvious. Most of the bayformers fans can be very mean and nasty. So it's just best not to talk to them period.

Don't jump down my throat about a scene that makes little to zero sense.

 

I understand that. That's basically the whole point of what I was talking about before it's just sometimes I run into people who act like nothing in these movies have flaws and they think there perfect.

It's hard to even talk to people like that. Thank You for being decent about your opinion/answer unlike a few others on this forum right now.

Sorry for going off topic again.

 

You realize you just told someone not to make assumptions about you and then you make assumptions about a huge amount of people.

 

but I am a deception based on my description so i will fight for cybertron! lol  

 

What?

 

look my problem with this statement is bayformer fans are defensive NOW because since 07 they've had to get shit on by people that don't like the movies. they have to hear the "you're not real fans" and "all you like is explosions and garbage" and "not the real transformers" nonsense. after awhile shit gets old. beast wars fans are defensive as well because geewunners are dicks. it's as simple as that. it's not geewun enough so it's crap and you're stupid for liking it. frankly it's the G1 diehards that seem to be the real problem here.

that kind of nonsense would drive anyone to be on the defensive and frankly i can't blame them. i'm sick of movieverse threads getting locked or massively cleaned up by the mods because the people like you that hate the movies just have to come in and stir the pot. it's one thing to come in with a discussion in mind but when you come in with "well the movies are crap so why complain about a crap scene" well you're just asking for thread derailment which is like the norm in movie threads these days.

frankly people like what they like and often times don't enjoy when someone comes around talking crap about it especially the ones that seem to do it religiously, not you in particular just an example. i think the movies are fun. i've liked each one for different reasons. i feel the characters are done right and there's usually a good mix of action and humor and dammit i'm entertained. maybe people need to start letting that sink in. people do enjoy it.

 

i was just roll playing.

 

I'm not making an assumption about this because it's true I've ran into a lot of people on these forums before that are hard core bayformers fans and are really mean and nasty. So I think I know what I'm talking about.

 

It's true is it? Go ahead and objectively prove that statement. I'll wait. I guarantee the movie fans on this site haven't said anything as mean as some of the non movie fans who literally called Michael Bay a pedophile.

 

Perhaps they are to you because you make blanket statements about them as if it's some sort of stereotype.

And that instead of participating in discussion, you tell them to "take off their fan goggles because the movies are bad" and then shrugging off what you think was a bad scene because you didn't grasp what was going on with "I'm not going to argue this anymore with you."

We have discussion forums for a reason. Coming into a thread about a possible topic that doesn't make sense to you and talking about it is great. Getting all sides, others opinions. But coming into a thread saying "the scene sucked, the movie sucked, take off your fan boy goggles and you'll see the movie sucks" doesn't promote discussion, it just irritates "us fanboys."

Again if you can't discuss a scenario without just chalking it up to "the movies suck, open your eyes and you'll see it" without instead discussing (even hypothetically) then why bother posting? It's almost like you're trolling.

 

i don't think you know what you're talking about at all. i've run into many fans of G1 who are really nasty as well. it's not exclusive. were they mean and nasty for reason or where they mean and nasty because you told them to take off fan goggles and realize what they're fans of is just crap? if it is i've identified your problem....

and since you hate these bad movies so much why are you commenting in a movie thread?