Fewer Decepticons, the better

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by TFFan01, Apr 13, 2016.

  1. Hazekiah

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    Such exaggerated ridiculousness.

    Do you read threads as poorly as you watch movies?

    Because humans learning how to effectively retaliate against Decepticons was ONCE AGAIN a major plot point of the first film, as was humans working alongside Autobots to do the same in the second, and humans TRAINING with the Autobots to retaliate against Decepticons while utilizing special weapons and tactics in the third.

    Humans tend to learn or die.

    This isn't exactly rocket science.

    PAY ATTENTION TO THE MOVIES.
     
  2. Windsweeper II

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    Ironicly (and sadly) that's true of most Decepticons in most Continuities.
     
  3. MnemonicSyntax

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    All of this.

    This too.

    It's posts like these where people say there's no story or plot and yet... it's right there. How is it so difficult to miss?
     
  4. Autovolt 127

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    We really need Decepticon who get focus and have personalities of their own.

    Age of Extinction's dysfunctional Autobot dynamic shows they are capable of pulling it off.
     
  5. Hazekiah

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    I mean...it wouldn't be so bad if the filmmakers didn't go WAY out of their way to DIRECTLY TELL THE AUDIENCE EXACTLY WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN, lol.

    "Okay, Sam, take this flare and get to the roof with the AllSpark for airborne extraction. If that doesn't work, fuck it, shove it into someone's spark while we laze targets onto the Decepticons."

    "Okay, Sam, take the Matrix to Optimus and shove it in his chest while we lay cover fire for precious cargo in the middle of the airstrike we just radioed in."

    "Okay, Sam, stop the asshole from re-triggering the control pillar while blah, blah, blah."

    "Okay, Cade get the seed to the rooftop for airborne extraction, blah blah, blah."

    These movies are EXTREMELY mission oriented and VERY clear about it. It's actually one of their best, most CRYSTAL CLEAR narrative qualities!

    How ANYONE can't see what they JUST TOLD YOU you're about to see is BEYOND me, lol.
     
  6. CKPRIME

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    But the plots are so convoluted and confusing! Nothing makes sense!
     
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    I wholeheartedly disagree, we need more Decepticons. Not so many, but enough to present a suitable army that not only can pose a threat to the Autobots and Earth but display their own personality and capabilities.

    After the last two films with human villains hogging the limelight, I want to see the Decepticons being a serious threat to Earth and serious rivals to the Autobots.

    The key is to give the Decepticons screentime where they can exercise some personality and development.
     
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    You know, it would be great if the issue of ineffectual antagonists could be addressed and we could actually have villains that, like, learned the way the protagonists did.
     
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    This, and all this.

    A bad plot is just as good as no plot at all.
     
  10. soundwaverulls

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    The problem with this idea is that the budget won't allow for more than a couple of TF villains to get development. Besides, having an army makes 99% of villains disposable, which encourages every fight to end the villain's dead, since they can just be replaced.
     
  11. Hazekiah

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    >_>​
     
  12. Ash from Carolina

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    Yep just because you have a plot that doesn't mean you have a plot that is actually worth anything. Plan 9 From Outer Space has a plot and I've seen the movie lots of times but I couldn't tell you anything about the plot because it's such a mess.

    When plots or characters aren't worth remembering most people don't bother with remembering them.
     
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    Right, but what's the excuse for not following along in the first place then?
     
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    Friends, they just troll us or show us their own *cough* laziness. When cartoons have simple plot for 30 minutes, they admire it, but when Movies have deep, full of sense and subtle details plot, they blame it, they just lazy to think!
     
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    Since the movies seem to be going in a more robot-centered route, and with Lockdown and Galvatron being full of personality, I can see a small group of Decepticons (lead by Galvatron) having personalities. I just wish Stinger was spared so he can get some of that. :/
     
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    lol you're agreeing with obvious sarcasm....i can see how these movies confuse you what with them shouting orders and people following said orders...
     
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    When the writers aren't even following along why should anyone else bother to follow along? It's never clear what is going to be important and what is going to be forgotten about by the production team.

    Pay attention to what Maggie Madsen is doing it's important. Oops wait it's not oh well too late to write her out of the film so she will just disappear from the franchise after the first film.
     
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    Maggie was the only one on point enough to know what was going on with the Decepticon's signal hacking the Pentagon, recognized and stopped its further intrusion, and then likely helped stop WWIII before concocting the plan to jerry rig an old PC, with the help of the "advisor" she herself brought onboard, to transmit yet another signal so the Secretary of Defense could authenticate an air strike on the ACTUAL enemy and perpetrator.

    All of which was PRETTY DAMNED IMPORTANT, regardless of whether or not future films required a signal analyst.

    Great example, btw!

    Maybe if people paid enough attention to Maggie they wouldn't be so clueless about how Blackout was ACTUALLY killed, lolfail.
     
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    Thanks for proving my point :) 
     
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    But Bay's trying to present it as a war. Lots of pawns should be getting killed, punctuated by the occasional major character dying.

    When you have a small cast on both sides -- like Beast Wars or Nu RID -- yeah you have the chance for development, but it feels less like a war and more like a sitcom.