Well, here's my chance to prove to James Gunn that me, along with the rest of Hollywood, are learning the wrong lesson from Deadpool. Given that Deadpool made all of the monies and the statement that an R-Rated directors cut of Batman V. Superman will be made available when it comes to Blu-Ray, Hollywood's new gimmick is R-Rated Adaptations. Honestly, it works well - movies like The Crow and Watchman proved you can do an R-rated adaptation right, and fans have been suggesting the idea for years. Given that Hasbro is deciding to jump into the Cinematic Universe ring like that dumb drunk guy at the party who tries to break up the fight and ends up being a part of it, it's safe to assume they might try their hand at some of the same trends. Now I know what you're thinking. "Oh, but Agent" you say. "Hasbro is making movies for children, they'll never get away with that!" And my response? Yeah prolly But in all seriousness, the Transformers movies definitely push the boundaries of what is acceptable for a movie that's just "made for kids". Never mind the Spike TV humor ("Lol his mom ate pot brownies!" "Omg his daughter wears short shorts!" "LMAO STATUTORY RAPE LAWS!"), there's some really thematically fucked up shit in these movies. Watch these scenes again and tell me they aren't shit that would be R-rated if they were bleeding humans. Optimus rips a dudes face in half. Bumblebee breaks a one-legged mans arms and then rips a big cats spine out to use as a flail against the dying uniped soldier. Optimus Prime STABS A DUDE WITH HIS MAGICAL STAFF, RIPS HIS FACE OFF REVEALING THE WET, GOOEY SINEW AND TISSUE, BEFORE CRUSHING HIS FACE IN FRONT OF HIM, THEN REACHING THROUGH HIS RIBCAGE TO TEAR HIS GODDAMN HEART OUT AND CRUSH IT IN FRONT OF HIS DRY LIDLESS EYES AND EXPOSED MUSCLES. And that's just the FIRST sequel. The violence only escalated from there in these movies. Since such brutal imagery is already embedded in these films DNA (or RNA), and there's been attempts (read: ATTEMPTS) to introduce some darker or more mature aspects into the story. Dark of the Moon 3 had a political tone with the Autobots in NotIran and governments banning them from Earth. So clearly, whoever's writing this has some desire to tell a sort of dark story. And THAT'S where Batman V. Superman comes in. You see, BvS has the same problem that the Transformers movie does - it has to appeal to the older generation while still being able to sell toys. However, Batman and Superman have the advantage of being more credible (People generally would assume a movie based off 50+ years of mythology and different interpretations would be higher quality than a toy tie-in that was born of the decade where cocaine rained from the skies and sexually ambiguous synth pop bands ruled the Earth, but that's the topic for another thread). Transformers hasn't really gotten to that level yet, but this could be a good chance for them. Say the first movie directed without Bay turns out to be a smash. The writing, direction, all of it's better by miles. Then the next one comes out, and it improves. So much so that the first cut they sent in was SO heavy and SO challenging (this is where I lost the first test audience so please stay with me) that it got an R-Rating. They of course trim it down and re-edit it, but now they have sort of the "true vision" of the film they had planned. Just for a second, think about, if done right, how AWESOME a Transformers movie rated R would be. I'd go into detail but honestly it's 2:30 AM and I'm too tired to get into bed. So I'lll just end it here. What are your thoughts on an R-Rated Transformers movie? Would you watch it? Would you even want to see that? Oh, and to everyone's who's gonna say "Oh they make this thread every time a new movie comes out that just copies the movie" well, you clearly didn't read the intro.
The reason Transformers films are not R Rated is because they considered to be highly fantastical and the sexual references (explicit) and swearing is minimum. R ratings won't do anything for me personally. It's all about the writing and direction. Stuff like Star wars saga pushed the boundries more I think showing humans actually getting hands cut off and triple amputations etc and never scoring above a 12 rating. Deadpool has About 84 F-words and its derivatives, 3 obscene hand gestures, 21 sexual references, 34 scatological terms, 19 anatomical terms, 8 mild obscenities, name-calling (crazy, weird, stupid, idiot, tool, hooker, mutants, douche-pool, douche, ugly mug, fugly mug, ugly cockroach, maggot), exclamations (shut-up, wow), 2 religious profanities (Goddamn), 9 religious exclamations (e.g. Oh My God, Oh God, God, Jesus, Jesus Christ, I Swear to God) and that's before getting to on screen violence so you can see, just on language alone, it never really stood a chance of being anything less than R Rated. The official certificate states that it has the rating for Strong violence and language throughout, sexual content and graphic nudity. An R rated Transformers Movie would be interested and I thought that one of the spin offs / machinma cartoons had hinted at being R Rated.
I dunno... like you said, the violence in Transformer movies is already outrageously over-the-top and they still don't get an R. To get an R, they would have to either throw in a lot of swearing, and Transformers using human swear words has always sounded weird to me, or a lot of human sex and nudity, and that's kind of out of place in a Transformer movie, or humans getting their heads blown off and stepped on and so forth, and, well... I don't need it. I'm fine with my PG-13 Transformer movies.
There are already violent robot deaths, the only way I see a TF movie being R rated is gore, violent human deaths and stuff.
Ha. No. The stats I copied because I read them the other day, but It does outline, other than violence, why it is R Rated. The rest of it I wrote myself lol
It would be as awesome as an NC-17 version would be to adults who think the brand should be matured and incorporate their interest in pornography because they continue to love Transformers and have developed a love for porn in adulthood. Problem is just because some people would love it and think it's awesome doesn't make it the direction the brand should be taken. Even more extreme violence and language isn't any better an idea than the autobots or deceptions celebrating a victory in battle like the Greeks in a full blown orgy and ejaculating energon fluid all over one another. Sure, some people may find that awesome but is it really what Transformers is or should be? It's hard to argue for what you think is an appropriate level of maturation of the brand for your tastes and then argue anything beyond that is just too far. They are both beyond what Transformers truly is.
Pretty much. There's no need for profanity and we already have decapitations and even faces being ripped off (heavy R in a human context). Plus Wheelie has a sex scene. What are we not getting because of the pg-13 that we could possibly want?
I'd love to see Transformers go to Berserk-levels of disturbing gore and psychological horror, with morally grey characters, anti-heroes, and corruption, however, this is a kids brand we're talking about. Transformers can't become dark. Which is a real shame. Transformers would be screwed forever, and One Million Moms would stop at nothing to destroy the franchise.
I rather not. I rather have Transformers go in the vain of Dragon Ball Z but with Dark Comedy based after DBZA.
Failure to understand this is the cause of probably 99% of the rage and disappointment in this fandom and several others. But in this case I get the sense that the OP might be writing satire... maybe.
I think making these movies PG-13 is stretching it enough. I don't see where excessive swearing or graphic nudity/full-on sex belong in a Transformers movie. Transformers are robots, and thus shouldn't reproduce in the same manner as humans, and they have their own set of expletives to use if need be, which are really only offensive if you're a robot. As for excessive gore, the most it should do is the brutal dispatching of robots. A human or two can go squish, but what would really be the point? Really, though, I think making them PG-13 is enough. These movies are meant to sell toys to children. They can be dark and mature without being too "adult" through complex concepts, not graphic imagery.
I actually had very similar thoughts coming out of Deadpool. To be clear, I think a R-rated TF movie would be a shame if it happened. For the life of me I don't understand why they aren't making PG animated Transformers films as well as the live action ones if the goal is to sell toys. Anyways, after leaving Deadpool one of my friends commented that they'd never let that sort of ultra-violence in a "standard" PG-13 superhero movie and I was like "Movie Optimus Prime is way more violent". That did lead to an entertaining conversation imagining Movie Prime guest starring in Deadpool 2. They'd have a great time trying to out murder each other. Just think of how fun that highway chase in Deadpool would be with Prime backing him up and helping with the carnage. I'd totally see that movie.
Transformers does not need an R rating in any way, shape or form. Deadpool? Absolutely. Wolverine? I'm game. A hard-core Batman solo film? Yeah, sure, why not? But, Transformers? Nope, don't think so. A PG-13 is more than adequate enough IMO.
Yeah why are Transformers even PG-13 anyways? We don't need inappropriate jokes in these. They should be making movies that are PG and animated along with these, like Goldbolt said. It would sell more toys, and it would allow more room to satisfy the fans and to allow kids see more age-appropriate movies. Also, kids dig animated movies. Trust me, I know some young kids and they talk about all the movies they like, and most of them are animated.
Yes I agree! Even if we don't think about toys, Transformers Movies don't need those things specific to R-movies to be deep, complex and sometimes dark. And the Movies have their own unique and brilliant style, stop try to comb them by the same brush with other.
Good grief. Just because something is rated R, doesn't automatically make it "dark" or "deep" or "good". Batman the Animated Series was all that and it was made for KIDS. It was rated PG or something. Star Wars The Clone Wars was rated TV-PG. Heck, look at how dark Disney movies get.
