Thread Won.

 

I'm glad you enjoyed it, but I would give it a 6 out of 10, tops. Easily the 7th out of the 7 films, for me. Instead of the flaws (which I think are pretty obvious) imagine how much better it could have been without JJ's particular fetishes. We could have had real character development under someone who wasn't obsessed with "mystery box" scenarios. We could have had a more moving version of Han's departure... or better yet, more Han Solo under a director who was able to stand up to Harrison Ford and creative enough to think of things to do with the character. We could have a story that didn't require reading a novelization and a "visual dictionary" to fully know what's going on. We could have had an opening battle scene that didn't feel like the intro to a military FPS game.

Abrams' strengths are his ability to capture great action scenes (which in this case were great but didn't look like Star Wars) and to get charming character performances from his cast. I'm not gonna go into a fantasy list of directors, but he's not the only guy who can do those things, and probably not nearly the best at them, either. At the very least, Disney and Lucasfilm should have known to give him a strictly hands-off role in the writing process, which is the absolute worst of his skills.

 

At this rate I will take Bay over Snyder any day. Watching BvS is like watching Bayformers without the entertainment value

And everything explodes in that movie

 

It feels like the big name directors are just too predictable these days. You pretty much know exactly what you are going to get out Micheal Bay, Zach Snyder, or JJ Abrams. You aren't going to get any nice surprises of something good you were not expecting.

Makes me miss the old days when you didn't know exactly what you'd get out of a big director like Spielberg from film to film because he could do such a range of films.

I just get more excited now for the directors who aren't such a big name because they aren't as predictable. Not having such a narrow set of expectations because of the director is part of what made Kingsmen and Deadpool fun for me.

 

Unfortunately, the studios would consider that an asset.

 

Honestly, I think he'd be WORSE. He's got pizzazz and great visual style, but his storytelling is incoherent and he overuses slow-mo pan and scan shots.

And after seeing BVS is a critical flop...no. He's gonna ruin DC's attempt at a cinematic universe.

 

Indeed, it seems studios are so allergic to the idea of taking a risk on anything anymore that they'd rather churn out continual sequels of the same stuff than allow for some experimentation.

Unless it's James Cameron - I don't think he can make a film that doesn't rake in absurd profits after managing to pull off Avatar.

 

Hollywood is currently stuck in a culture of sequels, remakes, reboots, material adapted from existing franchises, and CGI. Snyder, Abrams, et al are willing to churn out soulless, uninspired crap because it's what sells.

Even then, people are wising up to Hollywood's BS. Fantastic Four bombed hard despite the name attached to it, and Deadpool exceeded everyone's expectations. I think what's needed is a shakeup of the cookie cutter, blockbuster-driven studio system.

 

Agree with more than disagree.
The character of Maz was nothing more than a new maguffin.
We might have actually seen Han, Luke and Leia together 1 last time before Kylo had his Cat in the Cradle moment.
Etc.

 

I agree with both of this.

 

Like Adam Sandler movies, essentially?

From what I hear, for the same reasons nobody likes the earlier F4 films - they managed to fuck up Doc Doom.

Again.

Filmed almost entiely on a GoPro facemask, subject of a 3-way bidding-for-rights war which Universal was part of ( and lost somehow)...

...and despite averaging only average reviews is pulling a 94% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Sure, it's FPS: THE MOVIE but I will admit the fact even critics aren't hammering down on a film that's clearly "shoot first, plot later...maybe" is surprising to me. It won't pull Deadpool numbers, but given its relatively low budget to major blockbusters, I don't think it needs to.

 

well nobody were excited for The FF to begin with

 

Yeah, I think that would probably be good news for both Transformers AND Justice League if that happened.

 

On the evidence of what I've just seen of BvsS I mostly agree with you here.

 

The reception to BVS seems to be all over the place, but if Snyder can actually make the DC Cinematic Universe work, more power to him, I guess? My concern, like some others', is that he's more about flash and glitz than a good story and relatable characters.

Also, his vision of the DCCU seems to be dark in the literal sense - everything has this saturated cool color palette to it. But I don't know who I'd pick to head up the Transformers series.

Imagine Martin Scorcese's vision. He'd probably include a Cybertronian Mafia and Leo DiCaprio would probably be cast as Sam.

 

I've seen Batman V. Superman. Snyder's ass is lucky if he directs a fucking Pepsi commercial after that shit.

 

And the movie apparently needs to make a billion JUST to recoup production and marketing costs. I think WB has torpedoed its own plans.

 

BvS will hit 1 billion. Snyder will be fine

 

Really? Damn :/ The best part about that movie was

Spoiler

all the building towards the Justice League movie.

With any luck Suicide Squad can regain some momentum for a DC Universe, but regardless of costs, they need to either boot Snyder or pair him with a producer who will bitch slap him when he tries to make a 2 and a half hour grimdark superhero flick.

VERY doubtful. Considering when it's coming out and the TERRIBLE word of mouth it's getting, BvS has just brand-name recognizability going for it. It'll probably still make a shit ton, but I'll be surprised if it makes it past 800 mil worldwide.

 

Bro don't tell me you think the reviews from Internet users & so called "critics" = general audiences' s word of mouth. The vocal voters on site like imdb is just make up 0.5% to 1% of the whole amount of people watching movies. It means nothing & rotten tometoes is even more bullshit to me.
If you think it's not going to make past 800 millions, I have a news for you. Even though it's early to tell the final number but with 27.7 millions previews, around 80-85 millions Friday, BvS is going to make ~170 millions this weekend in NA. Adding ~65 millions in China and ~200 millions everywhere else, that's 450 millions WW openning weekend. 1 billions is almost guarantee. AOE, let's say it had bad WOM because you guys think internet & critic opionions = general audiences opinions, it still managed to make 1.1 billions dollar after 302 millions WW openning. And DOTM, 1.123 billion after 382 millions openning.