I hope so for sure, too. Although in my honest opinion most of the fan ideas I see for films are not especially great. Most of them are either too similar to previous films or too derivative of previous Transformers shows or are asking for a crapload of deceased characters to come back...I'd rather see something new that expands the universe and not just retread old ground. Also, too often Transformers fans want big casts, but I'd rather have a limited number of robots with speaking roles. For TF 5 I'd maybe like a new Autobot or two, a few new Decepticons to interact with Galvatron, the Creators, and maybe a new Transformers character allied with the Creators. That would be enough new characters in my mind. Still, I'm open minded.

But I do appreciate the sentiment greatly!

 

Well I think it might be a little bit of both. See when I first heard of the Quintessons, I had immediately thought of the Creators due to how similar the concepts seem to be. An alien race creates robots that end up going against their programming, the same concept in the movie and the G1 cartoon but told differently. It could be possible that maybe the writers had decided maybe to perhaps mixed together both the Quintessons and the 13 Primes.

 

I wonder if The Fallen has any connection to the creators. Did he just turn evil for unrelated reasons or was he part of the faction of Creators who wiped out the dinosaurs?

 

That's what I thought. As Galvatross and Dotmshockwave speculated previously, perhaps the creators could have been the primes in newly built bodies, and we elaborated and came up with another theory that could also be potentially correct but has a few plot holes that are yet to be filled:

The Creators/Quintessons or whatever you want to think they are, were actually a faction formed under the primes, and were sent out to harvest new materials and elements to build the transformers and cybertron after a seeker like jetfire had found a planet or star rich with energon or the materials that these original primes needed. Then they used the Allspark to fuse life into these transformers. However a few creators (under the command of Megatronus Prime) neglected the rule that they were not to harm a solar system that contained life, and built the seed to wipe out organic life, converting it into transformium.

A problem with this is that we're still trying to explain how the AOE dinobots came into this. Perhaps there was a glitch in the seed and when it killed the dinosaurs, some of them were still intact, instead of breaking apart when they had turned into transformium. The creators could have then ran tests on these, and infused some with the allspark, bringing some of them to life. Those that survived the experiment were then given to Lockdown as a trophy or form of payment for another task that he had done (the fact that they infused them with the allspark explains why they don't have that minecraft/pixel style transformation like the KSI bots). Obviously this is still quite weak and needs a bit more developing but yeah, it is what it is.

(I say that they COULD be the Quintessons because as Rumblestorm and a few others discovered, Lockdown's face looks awfully similar to the insignia of the Quintessons, perhaps they built him much later as their personal assassin/bounty hunter that would retrieve transformers that they wanted back).

 

I was just doing a little thinking this morning, and I came up with a sequence of events that is feasible and could tie the films together.

-The Creators cyberform thousands of worlds 65 mya and get inspired by the humanoid and animal life they destroy or encounter.

-Out of the resulting Transformium they make the Dynasty of Primes in their own image and make the other Transformers in the images of other species. They are initially non-sentient robotic servants.

-By design or accident the Transformers are given life by the Allspark. The Dynasty of Primes is given a special kind of life force that makes them Primes. So too is Optimus, hence he was built by the Creators as a Knight, but he was also born a Prime. Many of the Transformers rebel against the Creators after they gain sentience.

-At some point the Fallen makes a deal with the Creators in order to do as he wishes. Since he has special powers and is made in their image they have a level of respect for the first Decepticon and allow him to cause destruction on various worlds. Likewise, the Fallen reveres the Creators because he is made in their image. However, if he is ever to get slain the deal is over, and the Creators will be free to rein in their creations that are involving themselves in the fates of other life forms.

-The Fallen tells many things to Megatron about the Creators, which is how Megatron knew about the Seed and probably many other things.

-While they leave the Fallen and possibly other Decepticons alone due to their deal, they still try to hunt down the Knights, so over the centuries Lockdown hunts and captures the Dinobots.

-As a result of the death of the Fallen in ROTF the deal the Creators made with him was ended. Moreover, the destruction of Cybertron and other events in DOTM alerted the Creators to what their creations were doing, and they didn't like how the Autobots and Decepticons were interfering with the fate of Earth. They sent Lockdown to Earth to hunt the remaining Bots and Cons and to capture the last free Knight, Optimus, alive.

I am not saying this is the best or only way, but if they were to tie the films together it could be interesting.

 

@Galvatross: Wow, that actually works! Too bad they don't care about continuity enough to do that.

Seriously, Ehren Kruger cares even less about continuity than Shane McCarthy.

 

I agree with Spin-Out - that is very well-thought out and neatly ties everything together. Until we get evidence that contradicts this theory, this is my new headcanon.

 

I should note that not all of the details may be as I put them. For instance, it may not have been the Fallen that told Megatron about the Seed. For one thing, Ratchet and the other Autobots certainly recognize Lockdown, and he works for the Creators. Also, Hound and Prime knew about the Creators cyberforming worlds. Now it could be that Brains, who was connected to Megatron, learned from the mind he was hooked up to and told the Autobots in AOE. However, the Creators also could have been to the Autobots and Decepticons like many ancient species or human civilizations are to modern man in a sense. In other words they knew some things about the Creators from their travels around the galaxy but not much just like modern humans don't know everything about ancient cultures or dinosaurs. Either way many things about them are shrouded in mystery.

EDIT: However, I favor the idea that Megatron was one of the few that somehow knew about the Seed, and that Brains found out after being on autopsy duty, and then Brains told the other Autobots later on.

I greatly appreciate the comments Spin-Out and Honorbound! Funny enough, I actually greatly prefer the solo Kruger films to the Orci and Kurtzman films. Neither Orci nor Kurtzman nor Kruger will be the writers for TF 5, so we'll see how the next writer(s) does.

 

They should just steal it from you and make it canon. it's too perfect.

 

That's the best idea so far, i don't get why the writers haven't come up with this yet.

 

Déjà vu. I think I've answered this a long time ago.

 

because its good 

i tip my hat to you Galvatross

 

I'm glad you all like my idea. While there are such things as plot holes and continuity errors in fiction, at the same time I think many times the frequency of such things is overstated, and with a little thinking you can see that vastly different and seemingly contradictory ideas can be connected and even complement each other.

For instance, some might argue that the Creator origin in AOE contradicts the 2007 Allspark origin. However, the Creators cyberformed thousands of worlds to harvest Transformium and make the physical bodies of the Transformers. The Allspark is what made them living beings. Before the Allspark gave them life they were non-sentient drones like the KSI prototypes not named Galvatron. Lockdown even tells Prime he was originally meant to do as he was told.

Now I do realize the Allspark was capable of turning Earth's machines (which are made of terrestrial materials and not Transformium) into Transformers, but who says there can't be more than one way to make a Transformer? Either way it's clear Cybertronians and KSI's robots were made of Transformium, and that the Allspark gave the former their life force. Meanwhile, the Allspark is also capable of turning machines made of other materials into functional Transformers.

Depending on how future films tackle the issue they could contradict each other, but the two origins could also complement each other, and I certainly hope they do the latter.

 

Here's a crazy idea:

At some point in the distant past, the Allspark arrived at what would become Cybertron. The Allspark used the native life-forms, the so-called Creators, as a template for it own creations: the first Primes. The Creator species, realizing of the Allspark's powers, began to use it to build more Transformers, who were used as slave labor. But proto-Cybertron simply did not have the resources to build enough Transformers, so the Creators used the so-called seeds to produce enough materials to allow the Allspark to create as many Transformers as was needed. Soon, through years of hard work, the Transformers shaped Cybertron into the mechanical metropolis that it would be known as. But it would not be long before the Transformers staged an uprising and chased the creators from their home. The first Primes then became the ruling class on Cybertron, removing any trace of the Creators. And as the generations went by, all memory of the Creators was forgotten (Explaining why Optimus had know idea who they were).

Although all of this is just going by the films, my personal canon excludes AoE completely.

 

Yes, I also think so! I couldn't imagine a way, how Creators gave consciousness to Cybertronians. I think, it was the first and the last experiment of using the Allspark's power with transformium. Maybe Creators (as KSI) expected to receive intelligent drones, because they poorly knew what Allspark is. But Allspark, having its own will (it seems Fallen in comics said about that), made Transformers sentient. By the way, transformium is necessary to give Transformers ability to transform and greatly control their body, nothing more.
Also I found some interesting details in the Creator's hand looks, which could tightly bound first three Films and AOE.