It's been a lifelong dream of mind to see the prequel comics adapted into movies and rewritten for continuity with the existing movies. For example, in Defiance, Megatron gets frozen on Earth while The Fallen is still trapped in the relic, but in ROTF, Megatron doesn't seem surprised that The Fallen is free. However, I love how Defiance shows The Fallen corrupting Megatron. I'd be in heaven watching The Fallen corrupt Megatron and either not be trapped in a sarcophagus to begin with or be free before Megatron gets frozon on Earth.

 

I wonder whether or not The Fallen and Sentinel knew about each other. I also wonder if Megatron was truly loyal to them or if he was playing them against each other.

 

Well, regarding your first point, the movies ALWAYS overrule the supplemental material. So no big deal there.

But, YEAH, I'm TOTALLY with you on the point about Megatron playing both of his collaborators against each other.

It only makes PERFECT sense, right?

Megatron has a plan to save Cybertron with Sentinel and his Space Bridge technology (give or take a few billion slaves), but it gets "waylaid by fate" so he says FUCK IT and takes The Fallen's deal to drain the Sun and kill all the slaves instead.

Except! The Fallen winds up DEAD but Sam finds the Matrix so Megatron kicks his Sentinel plan back into high gear and GOES FOR IT.

Plus, it even makes ALL THE MORE sense that Megatron would collaborate with a Prime in secret since a Prime JUST SO HAPPENS to be his master's GREATEST fear.

Pretty neat and tidy for something SO FEW so-called "fans" of the franchise seem willing or able to figure out for themselves.

Personally, I blame the whole "Turning My Brain Off" Syndrome.

:-\

 

That's brilliant! I've always loved the backstory of the Bayverse, but you just gave me a new appreciation for it!

 

dotm seems like a retcon for the rotf storyline, and aoe seems more like a reboot that pretends rotf and dotm never happened

 

Megatron is actually a clever mastermind, but also a cynical prick. Even got backup plans when he's dead.

 

I always figured he had the two plans working simultaneously. However each could be used as a back up plan if needed. For example, don't forget Megatron's original plan to use earth's machines (and the left over transformium on the surface) to create a new army. Thus the entire purpose of using humans as slaves wasn't needed.

Because 1: He could us the allspark to reactivate Sentinel.

2: With Sentinel back alive he could use him to dispatch the fallen once the energon from the sun was harvested (as you previously mentioned.)

3: Earth has little use in Megatron's original plan other than creating his army and finding the matrix and harvesting the sun.....wait, welll that's a lot of uses...let me rephrase that. It has little use once cybertron is restored, considering Megatron's army could do all the rebuilding for him.

 

I like it!

Except for a FEW minor details...

Right off the bat, converting Earth's technology into a Decepticon army wasn't Megatron's FIRST plan, it was just the first one we saw in a movie. We barely HAD technology before that!

1. Megatron was BARELY awake for a full afternoon. He didn't KNOW that Sentinel had crash-landed on the moon. Why would he try to awaken someone he couldn't find? Especially with a resource he never actually held IN HAND but which would have given him the same slave-labor numbers needed but WITHOUT empowering his competition for leadership of the Decepticons?

2. Again, Sentinel Prime would have killed The Fallen. Then Sentinel takes control of the Decepticons just like he did anyway, but then who's around to defeat Sentinel for Megatron or AT THE VERY LEAST distract him enough for Megatron to kill him himself? D'oh! No one, that's who.

3. Yeah, they need Earth for precious metals, slave labor, possibly finding the Matrix and reawakening Sentinel and/or harvesting Energon from the Sun, oh, and maybe the Transformium yet to be harvested. LOTS of reasons to keep Earth around!

Thank you SO much!

FUCK, YEAH, man.

XD

 

You're welcome.

I wonder: Why did Megatron turn against the Autobots before the Allspark was launched into space? Was it to wipe them out so that there would be nobody to stop him from using the harvester?

 

Thanks for liking it, but ill elaborate on my details...

Except..he DID have the tech...if we are talking about when he originally crashed on earth....The transformium left by the creators DUN DUN DUN!

Because he needed to bring cybertron to earth. It might have taken him a while to get all the way back to the cybertron. Also, how do we know for sure that megatron DIDN'T know? After his escape from hoover damn Megatron disappears for a little bit until randomly popping up at mission city. I think it is entirely possible Soundwave (who has been scouting around earth for 60 something years) would contact his newly resurrected leader and inform him of the ark and the pillars and the armada of decepticons on the moon.

Except Megatron would not need anyone else to kill Sentinel for him...especially if this is movie 1 Megatron. I still argue that Movie 1 Megatron is the strongest non fallen/non upgraded transformer we have seen on the big screen. Also, he could just hire a couple assassins as well (or a certain bounty hunter...), perhaps poison sentinel's wine, who knows. I also doubt 07 Megatron would hand the 'cons over to Sentinel so easily as he did in his weakend dotm form.

Right, I said that wrong. I meant they didn't need the PEOPLE(they'd all be dead once the sun blew up), earth and it's resources could be of extreme use, especially for rebuilding a planet.

 

OMFG, I actually ALSO like it!

Great idea! Seriously, that's pretty cool stuff.

Good job!

\m/

Personally, I take the absence of ANY backup Decepticon forces in the first film as proof of Megatron not knowing they were there to start with. As SOON as Soundwave enters the equation we've got Constructicons, Insecticons, Pretenders, and about 40 more troops descending on Earth to back him up...but absolutely NOTHING in the scant few hours (possibly MINUTES?) between Megatron's resurrection and his reappearance/death 20 miles away in Mission City.

But, more importantly, the point about Megatron needing Sentinel to ferry w/e to Cybertron and back is moot. He didn't know Sentinel was even ALIVE anymore, let alone orbiting Earth, so it was time for...well, what I'll go ahead and call Plan B for now, lol.

And let's just imagine for a moment that he DID know Sentinel was RIGHT THERE on the Moon. Well...him not waking him up in the first movie makes sense because he never had the AllSpark in his hands to do it with. Him not waking him up during the second movie makes sense because The Fallen would probably know immediately, plus Megatron was allied with and committed to The Fallen's plan by that time anyway. Save Cybertron and THEN find a Prime to kill The Fallen, amirite?

And, yeah. Then the third movie, obviously.

Megatron MIGHT have been able to take on Sentinel, granted. But the only reason he was ever able to beat Optimus (in the movies) was due to distractions, and that's EXACTLY the reason we saw him beat Sentinel, too.

Well, yeah...no disagreement there.

:)

 

Only in movie one when Megatron was in his super saiyan form and was completely wiping his behind with prime's face.

 

The Fallen: There is a great disturbance in the allspark.
Megatron: I have felt it.
Fallen: We have a new enemy. Sam Witwicky.
Megatron: Yes, my master
Fallen: He could destroy us.
Megatron: He's just a boy. Optimus can no longer help him.
Fallen: The spark is strong with him. The great-grandson of Witwicky must not become a Prime.