Why I think the expanded universe will fail

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by LegionofMordor, Sep 28, 2015.

  1. LegionofMordor

    LegionofMordor Well-Known Member

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    First of all and probably the most important point is Bay. Everybody know how this guy is.

    Second: While Marvel and the upcoming DC cinematic universe, their people and actors have been showing up at comic book events to gather support and interact with the fans.

    While the Transformers franchise doesn't. They make low quality movies to alienate the fans even more.
     
  2. Aernaroth

    Aernaroth <b><font color=blue>I voted for Super_Megatron and Veteran

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    What a well-reasoned theory, it's not like Bay's involvement and relatively low outreach to fans at conventions (aside from all the involvement of the films at TFcons, Botcons, and other shows over the years) have occurred across four financially successful films so far. You know, the ones that spurred the studio to spring for an expanded universe in the first place...
     
  3. Metal Sonic

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    It won't fail. Of course it won't fail.

    It'll probably be fucking terrible, that much is true, but it'll only make all of the money in the world.
     
  4. Slingshot

    Slingshot Back In the Game

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    So you believe the studios are making "Low Quality Movies" to divide the fan-base? Please, tell me how successful films that have brought new fans to the series are, "dividing" the fan base.
     
  5. Ash from Carolina

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    It's a little hard to tell at this point if it will be a success or failure. Obviously someone at the studio is banking on it somehow working but I think it's a huge risk.

    People forget that Marvel took risks to get there. DC hopes to jump directly there but they don't have enough films out to see if you really can just say okay we've got all these characters let's make lots of movies. Star Wars still hasn't tested the waters yet. And well Spiderman just kind of failed before they could launch a Spiderverse.

    Some people think the Transformers mythology has the sort of characters that could carry films and I'm not so sure. I think that the movie going public can handle longer stories and more spread out stories while other people think that ticket buyers aren't going to go for a story model more like TV or comic books. I wonder if the movies don't need space between them while other people think ticket buyers will be okay with multiple films per year or whatever the Paramount goal is.

    The only safe beat would be that every big expanded multi movie universe isn't going to be a hit. Just difficult to say who will be the winners and who will the losers in this new film business model.
     
  6. Jochimus

    Jochimus Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!

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    I think this is all going to be really dependent on who ends up directing.
     
  7. Hazekiah

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    One of the most successful filmmakers of all time is why this franchise will fail.

    Loving the logic there, lol.
     
  8. Autobot Burnout

    Autobot Burnout ...and I'll whisper "No."

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    Simple - a sizable number of people brought in by the movies don't ever see eye to eye with pre-movie fans. It's like oil and water - they aren't really mixing together.

    It's also generated a noticable difference in maturity - a lot of the newer, younger fans brought in by the films tend to act like it's the end all, be all series and that trying to change the films is equatable to heresy and that literally the only thing that's important is the amount of money the movie made, while the older veterans generally aren't too fond of how everything has to be movie related at the cost of quality in the main lines.
     
  9. Starscream 91

    Starscream 91 Mech With A Mouth

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    Honestly the only problem with this concept of an expanded universe is that a bunch of big names in the mythos are dead...
    Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, Shockwave, etc. With a bunch unaccounted for like Sideswipe & Dino.

    The only way I could except this is that they rebooted this in a few years then create a universe like Marvel & DC but I can deal with this because I love these films.
     
  10. Metal Sonic

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    Is it so wrong to think there's more to success than money? In life itself, you could make all the money in the world and almost certainly completely alienate people, and feel a void because of that that money cannot fill. And yet, alternatively, you could be a social success but sacrifice valuable learning and personal achievements. So, we try to do both evenly. It's the key to happiness and of course success.

    Now, movies aren't people, but nonetheless I think a similar case could be argued. Some filmmakers make movies that are enjoyable to whoever watches them, but the people who did watch them are a minority, and the poor income made by the movies leads to not being a success.

    The Transformers movies make a lot of money, and are guaranteed a vast, predatory viewership with every film. Success! ...no? Many Transformers fans don't enjoy them, many people with a taste for richer product than summer blockbusters, and so on. Some people do enjoy them of course, but what do they have to say about them? Mindless fun. Just a summer blockbuster. It's not Shakespeare. Just switch off and enjoy the lunacy. That's like, but not respect. Many movie fans feel ashamed and often undersell the films they *like*. Others have to celebrate a beloved children's cartoon villain having giant, called-out testicles because the movies require such a sheer extent of defense just to be discussed. That doesn't seem successful to me either.

    The key to overall success is to balance successes in both finance and respect. Christopher Nolan and his Batman movies are to the majority both some of the greatest successes in recent film, and Michael Bay and the Transformers movies and franchise overall are scoffed at by that majority. Guess which made more money?

    The Transformers quadrilogy easily made enough money to cement it's place in cinema history, but it will likely be remembered as being utter bile at worst and very hollow, low-end, uncelebrated entertainment at best. I don't know about you, but as someone ultimately jokes-aside apathetic toward the movies, I can observe a distinct lack of success to that legacy.
     
  11. Zhadow

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    Eh, if loss of interest means that money won't benefit enough - then relatively yes.
     
  12. *Deathblade

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    bout as far as I needed to read
     
  13. Lord Tron

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    Metal Sonic what you say makes some sense but none of us can predict how things will turn out. Believe it or not Star Wars while liked by fans was originally hated by critics they didn't see really any worth in the movies this has clearly changed.

    People's expectations change across time as much I love the eighties I go back and watch a movie from the eighties while universally beloved more often than not the acting leaves me wanting. The eighties had a specific acting style which served that era but when I look back on it there was a either a lot overacting or lack of emotion from the characters reaction I have an example but I'll save that in case someone ask about it.

    The idea here is just because something is looked at bad or good right now doesn't mean it will always be looked at that way. Say we get a reboot and it's actually worse resulting in some people watching the movies with a new perspective and they see things they didn't before. The truth is this can happen at any moment there's no way to determine how the future will turn out for all we know down the line the movies will be looked at as a highlight of the franchise maybe the expanded universe will be great fix all the problems the movies have and everyone will love it.

    There is simply no way to determine how this will go or how people will look at the movies a few years down the line because none of us can predict the future we can only wait and see.
     
  14. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    That is an interesting point actually.

    Very rarely have any of the cast or crew of the movies come to BotCon, the only notable exceptions being Tyrese Gibson (who loves the franchise as a whole) and Glenn Morshower.

    but let's face it...if they did it now. They'd be eaten alive by our fandom.

    would have been a good idea back in the first few years though.
     
  15. bellpeppers

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    Why I think this thread is fail:

     
  16. UltraGalvatron1

    UltraGalvatron1 General Kenobi, you are a bold one.

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    Probably this.

    My only hope is that in an expanded universe Bay can't make all the films. So maybe something good will manage to get through without him putting his hands all over it.

    If by some freak chance a good movie is made AND box office reflects that we might finally see power shift away from Bay. (these second part is a total pipe dream- the best we can really hope for is an isolated GOOD movie somewhere)
     
  18. Autobot Burnout

    Autobot Burnout ...and I'll whisper "No."

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    Counterpoint: without trying something new, all that will happen by leaving things the same as they are will lead to no growth, only stagnation.

    Arguably, it could be said that if the fear of trying to change to something risky but also new would suggest a lack of faith in the strength of the Transformers brand name.
     
  19. SouthtownKid

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    boom roasted
     
  20. Warpshard

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    I think that it probably won't do very well since there's not a ton of leaders in the TF series that aren't just a different version of Prime (or Bumblebee, for some reason). There's Rodimus, Magnus (Technically), Primal, Star Saber, and...that's about it for the ones that people will generally know about. There are other, much lesser known Primes (In terms of the general populace, like Bendy Bus, or Vector) that they could do, but there's nothing for them to do with them.

    Assuming we're going to have the 5-6 Bot main cast that the movies have had so far, who are you going to pair with them? There are only so many big name Transformers, like Hound, Drift, or Windblade. Eventually, they're either going to have to use obscure characters (which people might not be interested in), or make new ones up (which is kind of difficult to pitch for a movie, even for Hasbro).