How is the MovieVerse going? (New)

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Livingdeaddan, Sep 25, 2015.

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How is the series working out?

  1. Totally completely awesome

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  2. Started good and got steadily better

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  3. Started good, dipped at ROTF, and got steadily better

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  4. Started good and plateaued

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  5. Started good and got steadily worse

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  6. Started bad but got better

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  7. Started bad and plateaued

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  8. Started bad and got worse

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  9. Total utter toilet

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  1. Lord Tron

    Lord Tron Well-Known Member

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    Not entirely I know this might not be exactly what you want to hear but I feel it needs to be stated.

    How would making that car a transformer solve anything? Adding new characters and more robots isn't an instant fix I would think revenge of the fallen made this obvious. If you make the car a robot all you have is another robot character you have to balance out with the others. He wouldn't have a story role so you have another character who has no reason to be there.

    Also if the car is a robot and does all the driving why have Shane at all he was in the movie to further Cade's character as well as Tessa's giving someone for Cade to trust with his daughter in the ending not a great purpose by any means but still a purpose. If the car is a robot it's not going to have any connection with Cade and if you have both the robot and Shane you have to balance both, now both probably don't have much of role. In the end you choose the one that will matter most to the story and the characters in this case Cade.

    Now I know this leads to the whole it should be about the robots, it already is you don't need another robot character. You have Optimus losing faith in humanity, you have the autobots being completely divided and wanting revenge, you have brains being a prisoner and you have both Lockdown hunting prime and Galvatron playing the humans throw in Optimus and Cade's friendship and you have plenty of robot stuff adding another robot character wouldn't solve anything it just gives you another character who has no reason to be there.

    So in conclusion I know no one wants to hear it but choosing Shane and not making the car a robot was the right call since Shane unlikable as he is and yes he's unlikable I agree on that actually adds to Cade's story while having another robot wouldn't really add to Cade, Optimus or really even the autobots. Adding robot characters is not an instant fix.
     
  2. Hazekiah

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    Hmm, that is an interesting way to look at it.

    However, I personally think the fact that the KSI-bots seem to be acting independently and freely interacting with one another suggests instead that they were sentient themselves, just like Galvatron.

    I don't really see any discernible difference between their interactions with one another versus the interactions of previous Decepticons.
     
  3. Dotmshockwave

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    They do however, like you said, seem to act individually in a lot of cases. Example, when two-head points to the other ksi drones that the Lockdown v. Optimus fight is over. However, the main thing I disagree with is when some say that previous cons had their minds transferred and put in the bodies aswell. Like Shockwave coming back as two-head. I do not believe that. I thought it was specific that Megatron was the only one who survived.
     
  4. Galvatross

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    I think it's clear that none of the drones had the mind of Shockwave or Decepticons other than Megatron. Although whether the KSI prototypes were simply programmed by Galvatron to say things as video game characters during game play are or whether they said things as extensions of Galvatron's thoughts is up in there. Either way Galvatron was behind it in one way or another. The humans weren't programming their prototypes to speak, as Joshua Joyce is clearly surprised by the fact Galvatron speaks. Stinger, Junkheap, and company may have been programmed with AI, but they had no life of their own, nor did they have their own minds like actual Cybertronians. They were just tools of Galvatron, albeit highly sophisticated tools.
     
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    I'm not so sure.

    Galvatron DOES seem to give them life in much the same way as the AllSpark was capable of bringing inanimate objects to life, which just so happens to be the source of his own life.
     
  6. Galvatross

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    I don't think that when Galvatron says he's granting the KSI prototypes their freedom does he mean he's actually giving them a free will or life. He's simply "freeing" them from being commanded by the humans. They still unconditionally follow his orders. They're still AI, although highly sophisticated AI. They still don't have life of their own. He wasn't giving them life so much as hacking into the system and programming them to do his will. That's how I see things at least.

    Anyways, back to the thread topic, I like how the Movieverse is going. Regardless of whether you like the movies or not they have tried interesting things. Also, whether one approves of AOE or not it does have the most Transformers focus of all of the movies, and as the fourth film it needed to do something different from the other ones. Another film with the Witwickies and NEST and the Autobots fighting or hunting Decepticons was not the way to go. It could have featured Predacons or Insecticons or Unicron or a new group of Decepticons, but instead it was a mix of new Autobots and old ones, Dinobots, and new humans verses neutral bounty hunters allied with humans as well as a certain returning Decepticon controlling human-made Transformers. That may not be everyone's cup of tea, but at least they tried new characters and concepts rather than taking their success for granted.
     
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  7. Lord Tron

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    I agree with you Galvatross this is one of the main reasons I like the movies I stated this once but well things got off topic but the movies do use original ideas you wouldn't think of usually, especially considering that they haven't used really any of the really popular fan suggestions yet.

    TF2 basic suggestion Unicron, or Starscream and Megatron what they went with The Fallen wow one of the most obscure villains in the franchise. Expected idea enslaves Megatron similar to Unicron what they did instead make him Megatron's mentor and the original instigator of the entire war. Wow who would've thought of that idea I certainly didn't.

    TF3 the obvious choice Unicron what we believed Shockwave likely struggling against Megatron. What actually happened Sentinel Prime who is pretty much Alpha Trion is the main villain Optimus's mentor betrays the autobots and joins Megatron.

    TF4 obvious choice Galvatron and Unicron. What actually happened Lockdown a character who when they started the movie wasn't even five years old even more so one would expect Galvatron be a set up for Unicron instead Galvatron has no connection instead being a result of Megatron's manipulations. One would expect Lockdown and a new legion of decepticons be the threat. Instead humans are the central threat which they had to know would piss the fans off.

    Notable others Optimus the expected result movie one basically. What happened instead Optimus get's darker and more ruthless culminating in him losing his faith in humanity and almost abandoning them altogether and also killing a human for probably first time in the entire franchise.

    Megatron expected result basically movie one. End result Megatron is gradually broken down as each movie goes on becoming weaker and weaker until he is a broken shell of his former self and pretty much Sentinel's bitch. Well I doubt people expected that kind of direction with the character gradually breaking him down and deliberating making him weaker that took balls.

    These movies really think outside of the box when it comes to what ideas they use and what they ultimately did with the two robot leads Optimus and Megatron completely different than anyone would've expected.

    I admire it the movies do use new things and take risks rather often it's one of the reasons I like them so much.
     
  8. ErbFan28

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    Transformers is my all time favorite film (tied with Toy Story and Jurassic Park). ROTF is one my least favorite films of all time. DOTM is only slightly above ROTF. AOE has grown on me quite a bit, but still a bad movie
     
  9. Autobot Burnout

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    Except, y'know, War Within. Which is where The Fallen came from.
    I'll give this one to you - Sentinel was probably one of the few decently executed bad guys this film series has had, if only because his motivation wasn't entirely two-dimensional "evil for the sake of being evil"

    I'm pretty sure everybody thought the plot was going to be centered around the Dinobots since, y'know, they were plastered all over the promotional material.

    Also, Lockdown's original Animated counterpart debuted six years before AoE existed. And AoE Lockdown also isn't the first movie version of the guy either - the ROTF one wasn't even in the film and got the vastly superior toy.

    Also not entirely exclusive to the movies.
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    But by making him weaker, it kind of raises questions as to why the hell he's even still around if all he does is just get more and more pathetic.

    I mean, it's Megatron - it's actually really, really bad storytelling when the supposed core bad guy apparently, according to you, exists only to become more and more useless. Even the film novelizations understood this - in the ROTF book, The Fallen is killed by Megatron which is totally in character (and the first film implied he was also a fallen Prime as Optimus's brother so that "only a Prime can kill him" bullshit doesn't factor in), and in the DOTM book, Megatron doesn't idiotically challenge Prime to a fight after executing Sentinel, he brokers some shaky peace deal and survives the end of the story.

    Yes. Every film relying on yet another space alien thingy making its way to Earth in order to force a plot to happen totally is "outside the box."

    Seriously, even G1 Megatron's silly plans at least had some variety - most of which didn't involve getting some Cybertronian mcguffin conveniently on the same planet he was marooned on for much of 1984.

    Then why is a reboot a bad thing?
     
  10. ASHLEYEVILDEAD

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    Each of the ksi drones could have parts of Megatron's personality and maybe some of the other cons from his memory
     
  11. Lord Tron

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    Autobot burnout The Fallen did not cause the war he escalated it and the War within is an obscure comic before the second movie came out they were very hard to find and it was the Fallen's only appearance I really doubt even Transformer fans knew all that much about him. He did not cause the War because he wasn't even free during war within one and well the war was already happening so clearly he didn't start it.

    And whose fault was that anyone who paid even the slightest attention to the tv spots should've noticed that the dinobots were only in Hong Kong which we were already told was the climax watch all the trailers and tv spot and you never saw even a hint of them before Hong Kong this should've been obvious.
    Even more so when you watch both theatrical trailers they are not about the dinobots in fact they only show up at the end of each trailer. The Dinobots didn't become the focus of tv spots either only being used for action shots that were all clearly from the climax. This is completely on you it was painfully obvious Age wasn't about the dinobots.

    One: no one really knows about those books.
    Two: different Prime that Prime doubted himself and was certainly not ruthless he refused to kill when commanded too and allowed Megatron to live at the end of the trilogy. The movie one is ruthless killing the Decepticons and having an even vengeful side though that's not the point Prime didn't lose his faith in humanity in those books in fact most of what he did was because of them. What had been done with him in Age has never really been done before.

    Aw the classic the villain must always be a badass how original Megatron's arc in the trilogy was his fall from grace the gradual loss of all of his power. This goes back to the whole you have no creativity why did most people like Galvatron because he was back in form but his return wouldn't of mattered if he had just been this uber badass in all of them. How the mighty have fallen that is Megatron in a nutshell that's the point.

    Megatron didn't kill the Fallen in the novel which means you obviously didn't read it he leaves him behind after his promises are exposed as a lie not the same as killing him. Now this fits G1 Megatron but let me drill this into your skull this isn't G1 Megatron the whole book ending is exactly what everyone expects instead in the movie Megatron genuinely respects and admires the Fallen he sees him as his mentor he shows real anguish when The Fallen is killed.

    Stop the press someone Megatron actually cares about that scene when he reacts to The Fallen's death is far more meaningful than the typical he's after power and abandons him when he's no longer of use. One just makes him the same Megatron we've always had the other shows that he does have some humanity he does care about something he's not just a soulless monster.

    The Dark novelization didn't do as good as people said I didn't buy the truce ending because Megatron didn't show any sign of wanting peace also a lot of his humanity from the movie isn't in the book his happiness at seeing Cybertron is not in the book the only time we see Megatron truly happy about something truly happy about something that isn't power and it's not in the book.

    He didn't challenge Optimus he thought he knew him he thought Prime would accept it regardless he was wrong. Megatron thought he knew Optimus, it turned out he didn't know him as much as he thought and he paid for it.

    This is a different Megatron a villain doesn't have to be powerful and a badass especially if you're trying to show their fall from grace Megatron's whole arc required that he gets weaker so it wasn't bad writing it was a very clear arc that fans typically rejected because it was different, news flash a character doesn't have to be a badass to matter.

    The mcguffins are their to flesh out the history of the franchise since we don't have flashbacks and few action franchises use them anyway.

    Also what was the central plot of beast wars what drove season 2 in particular oh right the golden disk which was just there to drive Megatron's plan it did very little and was discarded at the end of season 2. Armada what were they after oh yeah the minicons and Cybertron it was the keys and the omega lock. Animated well we had the Allspark, Sari's key, Omega Supreme pretty much became a mcguffin the space bridge. Beast Machines had pretty much the oracle also The key to vector Sigma and the plasma energy chamber.

    The point here being Transformers has always focused on Mcguffins Megatron's plots had variety in G1. Sure they did every episode or most of them at least Megatron had some kind of doomsday device that he would use to steal energy.

    That is not any more original than the mcguffins in the movie actually less since the mcguffins have a plot purpose rather it be giving us the history of the war, or the origin of the Fallen and the dynasty, or giving us information on the final days of the war, or the intro to the creators and setting up the origin of the transformers.

    Each artifact was also used differently the Allspark to transform Earth's machinery, the Matrix to activate the Harvester and destroy Earth's sun it also can revive the dead, the space bridge to launch an alien invasion and transport Cybertron to Earth, The seed to cyberform a city and build a new empire. Each had a different purpose and was used differently more importantly each played a role in the actual story it wasn't just something they fought over in the Space Bridge's case they didn't fight over it at all, the Matrix they didn't really fight over either since the autobots and the military didn't really know about it.

    It's not the artifact it's how you use it and each one was used differently the fact that you state it's just the same shows how little you pay attention if those Mcguffins are all the same.

    You want my advice to you looking at the board you clearly haven't liked anything since around animated you can't seem to appreciate robot development if you felt in Prime the characters were underdeveloped. So my advice maybe you should just drop most things because if you weren't satisfied with the robot focus and development in Prime or what they did with Optimus in the movies you're never going to be satisfied period.
     
  12. Autobot Burnout

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    The dude got the second most famous 6" Titanium toy ever made, second only to "6 Titanium Megatron because that toy is just shit (which is why it's so infamous) whereas The Fallen is probably one of the best that line ever produced.
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    Dude was also extremely well known for being always on fire. And also because War Within was, up to that point, probably the most popular post-80's adaption of the franchise in comic book form - literally everybody in this fandom knew War Within and who The Fallen was.

    That's why he was so obscure - only the fans knew about him if they were familiar with the comics, otherwise he amounted to a footnote until Vector Prime came in and suddenly The Thirteen became an important concept (until aligned subsequently fucked everything up about it)

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    You can totally tell this is downtown Hong Kong.

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    Yep, that totally doesn't look like it could be any city other than Hong Kong.

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    Because the fact the whole battle didn't actually take place in Hong Kong at all wasn't kind of obvious. Like this moment, where that bus is clearly driving on the right side of the road...when Hong Kong is literally one of the only cities in China that has people drive on the left.

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    How silly of me to think that it's so obvious that even things that had no setting context whatsoever clearly imply the dinobots are only showing up for thirty minutes at the end.
    So then why was literally every single piece of non-trailer promotional material not related to Lockdown either entirely focused on Prime or had Grimlock or Swoop prominently displayed?

    And you somehow speak for the entire fandom how?

    Wait, so you're literally just saying Prime not being violent enough in the novels is a problem? Such that you're willing to accept Megatron being nothing but a subservient bitch without a spine, over Megatron totally pulling a Starscream by killing the only guy he took orders from and reasserting his dominance over the Decepticons?

    Taken straight from the tfwiki article on the book:
    Look for yourself if you don't believe me.

    But it wasn't relevant to the plot at all! He was kind of just...there all the time. Literally he only worthwhile thing he himself actually does after coming back in ROTF is kill Optimus (which really kind of is anti-climatic since everybody fucking knows Hasbro's never letting Prime die after 1986), after that he's entirely useless for anything.

    But then what the hell is he supposed to be doing in the fourth film?
    Doesn't change the fact you think Megatron being a sniveling little bitch is somehow better than Megatron only serving The Fallen to achieve his own ends and abandoning him the absolute second their arrangement becomes unsatisfactory.

    Except...Megatron is supposed to be a soulless monster. He's the guy who fucking destroyed his own civilization in the interest of personal power and nothing else, then spent three/four films trying to exterminate humanity because he just wanted to exterminate humanity.

    You're implying that Megatron becoming tired of the war when he asks Prime for peace somehow is less humane than him just threatening Optimus like a moron after shooting Sentinel in the back?

    Not really - he's still alive again in AoE isn't he?

    That is honestly more thought put into Megatron's character than literally anybody who even wrote the scripts - seriously, even his voice actor in the first film literally did all his lines over the phone.

    Then why can't a TF film even function without a mcguffin? After all you're saying most action films don't use them, why then is this franchise unable to do the same?

    Well, yeah, that's because Season 3 wasn't greenlighted until after Season 2 wrapped up production. If you didn't notice, Inferno magically survived disintegration at the end of S2 as he's perfectly alive in the beginning of S3.

    And you are massively underselling the importance of the Golden Disk - the Disk itself was nothing but a message container. The message was the original Megatron sending instructions to a future successor to go back in time and kill Optimus Prime before the war begins again in 1984.

    As I mentioned earlier, S2 was produced in full thinking it was the last season - which means the Disc had served its purpose and BW Megatron had carried out G1 Megatron's plans. As in, MEGATRON ACTUALLY WON IN THE END had S3 not then been greenlighted.
    S3 largely becomes the Maximals cleaning up Megatron's mess.

    Armada revealed the Mini-cons were entirely the point of why the war broke out - Unicron had made them specifically for that purpose essentially to trick the Cybertronians into becoming his food source while he hung around disguised as a moon. However, eventually the mini-cons turn on their creator and essentially pave the way to his defeat.

    Cybertron's Keys and Lock were basically ancient nuclear launch codes, only instead of nukes they activated a god. We got a Primus toy out of it, too, so I don't see how this is a problem.

    There is a difference between 'mcguffin' and 'plot point' you apparently don't understand.

    Cosmic Rust.

    QED.

    Sun Harvester and The Seed had literally nothing to do with the war

    Since retconned by Hasbro officially stating that The Fallen is a multiversal singularity (meaning there's only one of him so The Thirteen story is more officially canon than ROTF's nonsense)

    The first film gave all the info about that stuff we needed to know when all that's going on is the AllSpark smashing into space rocks.

    We don't actually need to know all this shit, honestly. The Autobots and Decepticons having a giant-ass war really is just the framing device of the entire franchise. It's why the franchise can still function without the war. But trying to make the war more developed than the actual characters the story follows makes the narrative get bogged down in its own over-complexities.

    Kinda like a poorly executed version of Bioshock Infinite really.

    Wait, you're saying the AllSpark couldn't revive the dead? I'm...fairly certain that's the only reason Megatron's alive in ROTF...

    The former kind of is a cyberform-free version of the latter, y'know, so...no, it's not really all that different.

    Humanity gets directly fucked over specifically by what each mcguffin essentially was going to do. It's the same end result regardless of what those dumbass things do.

    Like, it doesn't matter what car you take - may it be a Ford Fusion or a Ferrari 458 - so long as it can drive and is regularly fueled up, it will get you where you're going all the same.

    If you have to directly attack me in order to make a point, you've already lost. Absolutely nothing about your little observation - which is wrong, by the way, I for one thought WFC and FOC were quite alright, I loved PowerCore Combiners, big supporter for the IDW comics hitting their stride, and thought DOTM was good enough for where the film series really should have ended on a high note - has to do with talking about the films. You could remove that entire last paragraph and nothing about your post would really change. But no, you not only stalked my post history looking for evidence to try and attempt to make me look bad somehow (don't know why, it's not like my displeasure with how things have gone since Animated generally is a tightly held secret or anything), but you're artificially trying to augment your own arguments not by actual content you bring to the table, but by outsourcing from other boards to make my counterarguments seem less prominent by effectively trying to character assassinate me.
     
  13. Lord Tron

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    Autobot Burnout: Yawn been there several times Megatron using someone to his own ends or Megatron actually caring about someone I'll take the one that actually adds to his character. The Fallen never orders Megatron to do anything he never mistreats him he is respectful to him all the way through Megatron bows to him once and he never grovels always maintaining his dignity.

    Megatron killed Prime and walked away he took all the damage shrugged it off and killed him it is the only time Megatron has directly killed Optimus Prime and walked away from it that's a pretty big deal. He never did anything except he captured Sam, lured Optimus into an ambush and successfully killed him sure Optimus dropped his guard but Megatron was still shrugging off everything he threw at him.

    He also pretty much led the reveal of the transformers to the world making Sam a fugitive yes the Fallen delivered the message but Megatron gave the order. He also shrugged off everything the military threw at him and killed Sam too if not for the dynasty both main characters would be dead how many Megatron's can say they did that? He also tricked Optimus into reviving Sentinel got the autobots exiled that was obviously Megatron's plan Starscream doesn't report to Sentinel.

    What did he do in Age nothing really except play the KSI and Attinger for saps got a new body out of it a new army and the seed delivered right to him if not for brains the Autobots would've never found out about his plan and he would've won. If not for the dinobots he would've gotten the seed Optimus would've never gotten there in time and he would've won. His plan was so well thought out that if not for something that from his perspective completely came out of nowhere he would've won. That's what he did not every villain needs to be physical the manipulative ones are just as dangerous.

    There's the problem again you can't see Megatron as a living being just the villain you know him to be that is uncreative. I'm not putting any more thought than the writers did if most of you people would bother to remember more than the climaxes you would know this, it's once again obvious. The problem with the truce ending is that having humanity and completely giving up is not the same thing. Megatron's choice wasn't believable specifically because his emotions weren't focused on. Optimus just letting him go wasn't believable the ending just wasn't believable there wasn't enough lead up. That's the problem with the truce ending it needs massive set up or it won't work.

    You don't care about the mythology of the war so what you just want robots fighting each other over energy.

    What does the Harvester have to do with the war nothing really accept it pretty much started it remember the prequel comics are not quite canon not at the moment anyway maybe they'll be used for the prequel movie maybe they won't. So as far as the movies go The Fallen is the original decepticon and founded them meaning the movies war might of started right after the Fallen's betrayal and Starscream and Iron Hide they're just the second generation fighting it. The harvester started the war or at least reignited it if we're going by the comics.

    Neither Beast Wars or the movies had anything planned so you're excuse about the disk applies to all the artifacts from the movies they weren't needed wait accept the Allspark continued to play a part in revenge of the fallen, the matrix had a small but critical role in Dark. The seed is with Optimus and will likely have a role in finding the creators.

    If humanity gets fucked up no matter what is your logic of it being the same therefore making every movie the same I can counter you. How many mcguffins are in Marvel well the whole story is a mcguffin chase for the Infinity Stones which have no relevance beyond the chase for them.

    Every mcguffin is an Infinity Stone or most of them are and each one except the mind stone was used the same. The First Avenger the Cube if red skull uses it humanity is fucked. The cube returns in Avengers where it will be used to open a portal to the chitauri different how red skull used it though awfully similar to the space bridge but the result is the same humanity gets fucked. Dark World has the ruby which is literally the exact same thing that happened to Sam in Revenge of the Fallen only Jane doesn't do anything. If Malekeith gets the ruby he will plunge everything into eternal darkness different method but humanity is still as you would say fucked over. The Orb which was no different from the seed hey noticing a pattern here. If Ronan gets it Xandor is fucked everyone dies.

    So first the mcguffins are pretty much the exact same as the mcguffins from transformers and all have the same end result humanity is screwed. Each villain is relying on a mcguffin to achieve their plan. Each mcguffin has the same end result and all but one of them results in the destruction of a planet. So what's the difference here at least in transformers they add something here it's just to reveal gasp it's an infinity stone again and again and again how is that not repetitive?

    Actually I stumbled on you by complete accident while I was in the Prime forum I do visit other ones. My last comment was pay back that you to be blunt deserved. I love how you're acting like the victim here, what you forget what you said about movie fans well allow me to refresh your memory it's because generally the argument on the defensive side tends to be based less on actual, quantifiable facts and more pure fan-obsessions putting rose-tinted glasses on everything

    What a nice biased statement so people who like the movies are all wearing rose tinted glasses therefore their view is essentially wrong sugar coat it all you want that's what it means. Here's another lovely little gem of yours. One's a means of fostering discussion, the other tries to make things in the films appear as they aren't?

    Now that statement is pretty self explanatory wouldn't you agree you're saying that the people who don't like the movies are having real discussions while the people who do are having fake in short the haters are right and have valid points the ones who enjoy them are wrong and have nothing to say. I also love how you automatically assume you win every discussion. Yeah you're the victim alright or maybe someone finally called you out on your complete and utter disregard for the opinions of people who actually enjoyed them.
     
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    I think I could go for KSI drones having parts of Megatron's personality. With AoE borrowing from Transformers Animated it would fit in with the time that parts of Starscream's personality ended up in different robots for the cartoon.

    Just not sure why other cons would be in Megatron's memory. Nothing so far would suggest that Megatron created other Decepticons since it's been some type of McGuffin as the vague maybe this is where they come from. Although if part 5 covers the Creators I'm guessing maybe we will get some answers.
     
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    Started good, dipped at ROTF, and got steadily worse.
     
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    Much like this thread, started out decent enough but quickly turned south.
     
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    Grimlock_13 Currently facepalming at your post

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    I thought the first movie was horrible...entertaining, but still horrible. Second one came along and made it look decent. Dark of the moon was, IMO, a little better than Revenge of the Fallen. Age of Extinction came out and made the other three look like incredible works of art.

    My vote was they started bad and got worse. I can't imagine how the next films could be ANY worse than AoE but I'm sure Bay will find a way to lower the bar.
     
  18. Ironhide1234

    Ironhide1234 Here.

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    None of the prequels have ever given me the same level of excitement and enjoyment, as a movie than the 2007 film.

    I can pick out the good bits from all four but 2007 would still come out on top.
    The writing and direction has always stayed the same, nothing ever felt different in the prequels other than the tone at the best of times.
    I guess one shot 'Mcguffins' and so many dead enemies doesn't help story progression.
     
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    You've seen the prequels when how can you time travel what did Cybertron look like what was the story how cool were the war scenes?!

    Anyway all jokes aside sorry for your disappointment though you should probably edit your comment and change prequels to sequels. If you're hoping for something new the fifth one should likely bring this since there's an entire plot taking place off Earth can't guarantee anything but it does raise the possibility of change.

    Grimlock 13 if that's how you feel to the point that you're certain the next one will be worse than it's probably best you not see it. this isn't an insult to you but you clearly aren't satisfied so I see no reason to continue seeing something that disappoints you time and time again surely there are other parts of the franchise you can focus on something that will bring you greater enjoyment, I'm sure you'll be able to find it maybe you already have either way good luck.
     
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    majority says: started good and got steadily worse.
    I also think I enjoyed the first movie despite I was not satisfied with the lame puberty jokes, overpowered US Military presence, lack of characterization of most TFs, the way Megatron got defeated and an underpowered Optimus in the final fight.
    But then it got worse. Bay only invested more in the Action Scenes while making everything worse.