And with a new director. Why continue these movies especially when they keep making less, at least domestically, than those TF movies prior? I read that TF 4 made less than TF 3 which made less than TF 2. All the main Decepticons have been killed off anyways. I really think the public is getting sick and tired of the TF movies, especially when they have more interesting and exciting things to watch like the Marvel movies and the coming DC cinematic universe. Not to mention the new Star Wars movies. I'm predicting that once the TF 5 movies hit, unless this franchise is rebooted, the public is going to loose interest and the TF cinematic universe is going to crash and burn. Especially since, unlike 2007 and 2009, the Transformers franchise has a lot more competition from much better written, produced, and directed sci fi and fantasy action films like again the Marvel cinematic universe. The TF movies have to raise their quality and standards to compete now but that may not be possible unless they are rebooted.
I said it before and i said it again, you can fix the franchise as it is right now as long they make a good movie in this continuity, reboot is not the awnser, the awnser is to make a good movie, for example Fast and Furious had a mixed/negative reception for its first 4 movies, Fast 5 comes and now most people love the series. even X-Men, people hated Last Stand and Wolverine that they wanted the franchise to return to Marvel, but First Class, The Wolverine and Days of Future Past clamed the haters that now we are looking foward to future X movies. as long you make a good movie after good movie, you can save this franchise, without the need of going back to the drawing board and we still have Megatron running around, so not all of the main cons are dead.
I completely agree. We have to hope that Hasbro and Paramount will throw away their Bay colored glasses and finally do right by this franchise. It needs to be completely rebooted with the Transformers ( not humans ) being the sole focus. Take the story where it should be, Cybertron not Earth.
Not earth sure just like G1 did wait, just like Beast wars no that's not it, robots in disguise and Armada nope, Animated um no not that one either, Prime no, G1 comics not until the last few arcs. I think my point stands before IDW a story off of Earth wasn't very common season 3 of G1 less regarded than the first two, Beast machines divided to say the least, Energon less said the better, Cybertron good not great. So since you claim to be a fan actually pay attention to your franchises history G1, Beast wars, car robots, most of armada, most of animated and Prime all took place on earth as did most of the marvel comics nearly all were well regarded the non earth stuff was controversial like I said pay attention to your franchise. About rebooting the franchises what's the point you people wouldn't know a good a transformer movie if it punched you in the face considering your idea of a good movie of good characters and story is the animated movie you really really wouldn't know a good movie because the animated one when it comes to character development, story and just structure and pacing in general sure as hell isn't one.
I'm well aware of all that, thank you very much . However, the Transformers story did not originate on Earth. What I want to see are the events leading up to the Great War, up to the time they left Cybertron. THAT is the story I'd like to see brought to life on the big screen. With as many Earth set cartoons (and subsequent movies), for me, it would be something different.
And you will this has all but been confirmed so what are complaining about Age was pretty much about the robots the moment Optimus came online the robots took center stage Cade and Tessa were clearly the secondary plot the final battle was more focused on the robot with the humans only getting two sequences to themselves one of which later involved the robots so what are you complaining about that's already happened Hasbro doesn't need to take off the rose tinted glasses you need to take the biased hate glasses off and see that what you want is already happening it already started and has been happening very slowly since the third movie.
Again, you're missing my point. I'm expressing what I would personally like to see. I would like to see the movies show the events leading up to the war, how the Core Transformers became who they are, the battle for Cybertron up to them leaving their planet but before coming to Earth. THAT has not been shown in the movies. I also don't have "hate glasses", I just never felt that Bay was the right choice for the franchise. If wanting to see a more accurate embodiment of all the Transformers makes me biased, then so be it. I've never hidden my personal opinion of Bay or Bayverse. I respect the man for taking on bringing the movies to life, I just don't think it was an overall good match. However, that is just my own opinion. As for the humans role in AOE, it goes beyond Cade and Tessa. Was there more robot dialogue? Yes. That doesn't mean there was more substance to the robots. Were the robots in more scenes? Yes. Once again though, it was humans coming to the Bots rescue. It was also, once again, humans in alliance with Decepticons. There were also unnecessary human scenes that were put in for really no other purpose than to showcase random Chinese actors and Military officials. So yes, while the robots got more screentime, humans really didn't get any less the previous movies.
What your asking for is likely coming what else will a prequel be about. You're only looking at the bad the joshua scenes more often than not had robots Brains went from a mostly friendly robot who just wanted to help the autobots to a bitter and cynical robot who didn't care that Galvatron was going to wipe out humanity that's a pretty big change and quite meaningful too. The autobots bickered a lot but they had scenes you had scenes where Hound was a jerk you had scenes where he was more noble such as rescuing Optimus and you had the final battle where he was a war machine Bumblebee had scenes of immaturity and nobleness, Optimus is self explanatory and Lockdown was unlike any antagonist before his alliance with Attinger actually having a few scenes dedicated to it. These matter and you're overlooking them because of a few meaningless scenes ignore them it's not worth missing everything else stop looking at the negative stop thinking about how many human scenes you hated and stop looking at it as a pure transformer fan look at Cade and Tessa as important characters too there arc needs some focus those scenes aren't pointless the card scene could've gone yes but most established something. The china scenes all put together don't add up to five minutes don't let them bug you there's no reason for them too they don't last nearly long enough.
Again, I was just expressing what I would personally like to see in the next movies. I was not looking for anyone to agree or disagree with that. As for the AOE, humans, Earth, etcetera.....I'm just going to agree to disagree with you. We each have our own opinions and that's perfectly fine.
Very well but just know I was actually trying to help your enjoyment what i put is how i enjoy a lot of movies I enjoy and I truly do believe if others looked at it that way as well things would be better but nothing to be done with that I guess so agree to disagree I guess, like you said that's fine.
The problem is, TF3 and TF4 still were doing quite well at the box office. So paramount will continue to have Michael Bay lame movies. I'm a hardcore TF fan and i already skipped TF4 at the cinemas and skipped buying the dvd/bluray.
This franchise has already had enough reboots. Rebooting is not the answer, and should be avoided as much as possible.
exactly it is not the awnser, the way to fix the franchise is to make a good movie after good movie. who knows maybe a reboot would have worst results? like the Fantastic Four, people hated the first 2 films, they rebooted and they hated the reboot even more. so reboot is not always the awnser, depending on how its handled it may led to worse results. as i said what matters is getting a good/decent movie
I would like a reboot, focusing more on the bots, and much much less on humans, potty humor, being over-sexual, etc. Would LOVE it, if they could make the designs so you can distinguish what body parts are what, and you can tell who is who by looking at them.. correct colors, etc. Much less camera shaking, more transforming, and more charcterizations. Who were those robot dinosaurs in AOE? I dunno, nobody said their names at all...
Wrong. Reboots have been what have kept the franchise alive for thirty years. To suggest otherwise is to suggest the same people have only been buying the toys for three decades straight since 1984. See, at the end of the day, Transformers is a franchise that primarily makes its money from selling toys to boys ages 8-12 or thereabouts. The media exists primarily as the main form of advertising the characters whose toys Hasbro wants kids to buy. Except the problem is that the 8-12 age target market will grow up, once they hit their teens they start having far more interests than simply buying goddamn plastic toy robots. They start having more important things they want than mere playthings, like cars and means to impress girlfriends, etc. Trying to cater to the market from before that's aging out of the ideal target market is economic suicide. But in the place of the former 8-12 year olds, there are new 8-12 year olds just entering that age bracket who are not familiar with the just-ended TF franchise. And since you don't jump into the ongoing narrative of a story in the middle (the original Star Wars Trilogy starting with episode 4 not withstanding since eps. 1-3 have since come out), it's more effective of a draw to reboot the TF franchise to something all new with a fresh starting narrative, so the target market just entering Hasbro's money-making ironsights are more inclined to follow the series and get hooked. Also, this toyline actually hasn't rebooted all that much if you examine the timeline: 1984 - 1995ish: Generation 1 and Generation 2, the latter being just G1 with everybody taking baths in neon paint, buying out Hot Topic stores of their inventories of spikes, and some new guys who really didn't get featured all that much as the G2 comic only lasted 12 issues. 1995 - 2001: Beast Wars is the first total series "reboot" based in the theme of the alt. modes, if not continuity wise at first, followed by Beast Machines. 2001 -2003: Transformers: RID marks the true first outright reboot of the franchise in both aesthetic and story, but so far it's almost been 20 years of the TF franchise and with two reboots it's averaging one reboot every decade. 2003-2006: The Unicron Trilogy is the third reboot of the franchise and ran through three entire series. 2006: Since the movie got delayed a year there was no series launched, but Classics 1.0 was created as a filler line and continues to this day in the form of Generations 2007-now: The live action films. Amazingly, only the fourth time the franchise has been rebooted. 2008 - 2010: Transformers Animated is the fifth time the series has been rebooted - occurring between the first two films. 2010 - now: Hasbro launches the Aligned continuity, which is supposed to act as the new foundation for branching continuities by cementing one modernized origin story through War for Cybertron. Somehow, Hasbro managed to fuck that up by trying to force everything into continuity with Prime, instead of forcing Prime to actually do its damn job and not pretend the video games that are its prequels never existed, so Aligned is just it's own singular continuity much like the Unicron Trilogy except without most of what ultimately made the UT salvagable plot wise. Since we're only at franchise reboot number six hopefully they'll pull their heads from their asses and actually figure out Aligned is a colossal failure in terms of what it was supposed to do and they'll just start over. So, with all that in mind, you said there's been too many reboots in this franchise already. With only six actual reboots across thirty years, that's only an average of a new continuity every five years, which is in fact longer than the average life span of any single franchise series toyline within that 30 year span...except the movies. The movies have been around for almost a near decade now and all the young boys it's supposed to be targeted at to shill the toys have long since grown up. An 8 year old boy from 2007 is now sixteen. A 12 year old boy is a 20 year old in the middle of his college career. A reboot is necessary because, in contrast to the generational cycling of boys wanting the toys, most of the top guys from G1 are always well known - Prime, Megatron, Soundwave, Starscream, etc. - and the fact the movies have killed off pretty much all those well known guys is a serious flaw that's hurting the line. Of course, Hasbro being idiotic and thinking that the kids don't want toys of the bad guys also is a problem - facilitated by how the movies killed all the Decepticons offscreen before AOE - since the entire point of there being bad guys who have toys is because who the hell are the boys going to have the good guy toys fight? As silly as this is, the movie Wreck-It Ralph is a perfect example showcasing why nobody gives a shit about playing around with the heroes if there's nobody for them to fight - Ralph abandons his antagonist role in his video game and the game instantly becomes worthless as even though the player has control over the protagonist, there's nothing for them to actually do without Ralph anymore. The problem with F4's reboot was the people in charge didn't have a goddamn clue how to actually write a movie with those characters and they apparently just repeated the exact same stupid origin of Doom somehow being fused with metal or something - which is incredibly stupid since although Doom in the comics is one of the all-time great antagonists, he only really wears the mask because he's actually facially disfigured, it's not even required to help him breathe like Vader or anything. And it's not like a film that's effectively a reboot of a well-known character in a film adaption can't totally change things up - for example; Hank Pym in the comics is always going around as Ant-Man or whatever version of his superhero identity is at the time, but in the movie, he's not Ant-Man but instead tricks a guy fresh out of prison into taking the mantle instead. The problem with the TF films is that all the Decepticons are dead. AoE is proof more than anything of this - the major badguys are some asshole human and his team who go off to hunt transformers to melt down and turn into their lame knock-offs, and the only bad guy Transformer who isn't cheating by ripping off the T-1000 when he transforms doesn't work for the Decepticons either, but some other group entirely. The only antagonist figure in the film who has a name to at least expect something familiar about is Galvatron, and that's not good because it's just Megatron resurrected for the second time. The only other antagonist with a name is Stinger and, the fact he's probably one of the stupidest things ever (he's a red Bumblebee knockoff who turns into one of the most expensive and rare supercars on the face of the Earth to the point it's actually illegal to drive that car on public roads) aside, Hasbro didn't think he was important enough to even warrant a toy as they actually did say they thought nobody wanted one. No, the problem with the TF films that requires a reboot is that the Decepticons are no longer even the main enemies anymore. The core of the franchise is the idea of these two alien factions hiding among humans in plan sight and fighting battles completely under their noses. AoE turned it into Autobots vs humans who made knockoffs for literally no fucking reason - seriously, if humans are able to take down Cybertronians on their own, why are they putting so much effort into producing absolutely inferior copies?
All I want is a prequel trilogy of the War for Cybertron that is on par with the LOTR trilogy. I don't care if a ticket is $50.
i know that, thats why i said in my original post "Depending on how its handled", because you never know what if they get a worse director or worse screenwritter for a reboot or they tamper with it like Fox did with Trank. its possible that maybe by this point Paramount doesnt care if we like it or not, they just care if they make money, because if they wanted to make a really good transformers film in terms of storytelling, they would've ditched Bay early on. as i said in another thread, Fans may want him out, but if you were the head of Paramount and you saw how much money these movies are making you obiously would want Bay to stay because his Transformers movies are making money. its about making money at the end of the day. if the Transformers films became worldwide flops thats when they will consider a reboot. but if the current films keep making money, they wont care theres no rule that says every villian has to be a Decepticon, there are some villians in the Transformers lore that are on their own and are not part of a faction. if done well they can be great villians also lets keep in mind just because there were no real cons in TF4 aside of Galvatron, doesnt mean they are all dead. there could be thounsands and thounsands of Decepticons out there we dont know of yet, lets remembr as pointed out the villian of AOE is not part of the Decepticon, so with that, theres no real reason for other Decepticons to be part of this story. in the first 3 movies theres a reason, because the main villians in those films are part or have allied themselfs with the Decepticons, but Lockdown is not allied to them. so theres no reason for Real Decepticons to show up in TF4. but i do understand the argument that its need to be transformers hiding in plain sight
