Questions about durability of a spark

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by kurochan_24, Aug 21, 2015.

  1. kurochan_24

    kurochan_24 Well-Known Member

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    Alright, I do have a few things on mind with regards to the spark of cybertronians in relation to the films.

    1. How durable is the spark?

    I mean, in ROTF, Jetfire literally held it in his hand as though it is somewhat solid and it was there exposed in open air several seconds before Jolt integrated it with Prime. Supposed the autobots didn't touch it, will it eventually dissipate in open air like a flame? Or will it remain existent for centuries until it rans out of energon since cybertronians live such a long life?

    2. In relation with the first question, why was Jazz killed when his body was cut in half?

    Ok, getting cut in half is fatal, but looking at the movie, it seems like his spark was on the upper half of his torso and the spark just extinguished? Was it also ripped apart halfway as his body? And considering that it seems durable (as in the first question that Jetfire is holding it like a solid substance), wouldn't it seem that Jazz could've survived with everything from the belly up still intact and the spark still within him?
     
  2. Aernaroth

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    The only speculation I can offer is that Jetfire removed his spark chamber, whereas Jazz' spark chamber was destroyed. Allowed Jetfire to live a little bit longer.
     
  3. Hazekiah

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    Yeah, that's the obvious answer.

    If you watch Jazz get ripped in half, you'll notice that he's gushing Energon from his spark chamber...whereas Jetfire's remained unbroken and intact, it had simply been removed from his body.

    The bigger question is how Frenzy survived his head being ripped entirely from his body (and thus, presumably, similarly detached from his spark), although it's simple enough to suppose that as a smaller, more espionage-oriented agent he was specifically designed or modified to enable such a thing, like putting his spark in his head instead of his chest, as others have theorized may have been the case with Megatron.

    Anyhow, in brief, the spark chambers of the movieverse seem to be pretty damned resilient. Lockdown obviously only wanted to incapacitate Optimus, but even after what Lockdown himself described as a "direct hit" and a "mortal wound," Optimus was pretty much good-to-go with some overnight repairs from a guy in a barn with some scrap metal and a torch. Hell, Lockdown even seemed to pierce that patched-up chamber when he pinned Optimus through the chest and he was still on his feet and ready to take on the Creators singlehandedly pretty much immediately.

    But, then again, he IS a Prime, I suppose.
     
  4. Ruthie

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    It will all be made clear when Ratchet's spark is placed inside his new body.

    [/wishful thinking]
     
  5. Ash from Carolina

    Ash from Carolina Junior Smeghead

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    Sadly this seems to one of those things that is completely at the whim of the writer at the time since there doesn't appear to be any hard fast rules on it.
     
  6. Lord Tron

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    There aren't any rules in any other media either what kills a transformer has never been consistent in the animated movie they're being gunned down with one shot while later in beast wars Inferno survives an explosion that pretty much incinerated him later in the last episode an explosion of similar magnitude kills him, huh he was caught in an explosion that incinerated a mountain and he survived while this time he's killed by a blast that doesn't even obliterate a small valley.

    In Prime Dreadwing is shot through the chest and dies later Optimus is blasted by the Nemesis and is left at deaths door really he should've been vaporized. Megatron is caught in an explosion the size of the moon not only does he barely survive but later a simple stab through the chest with sword kills him.

    Animated Optimus is overloaded by the Allspark and dies, Prowl also sacrifices his spark energy while Blurr is crushed into a cube he would've been revealed to survive while Ultra magnus dies from wounds he receives from a hammer.

    None of this is consistent it never has been, it is always at the whims of the writer like so many other things people blame the movies for every other Transformers fiction is guilty of this.
     
  7. Livingdeaddan

    Livingdeaddan DEFIANTLILHORDE

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    I expect more consistency from live action movies

    Anyway Lord Tron, let's try and not turn a thread asking a reasonable question into another "BayFormerLover vs BayFormerHater" forum.
     
  8. Lord Tron

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    That wasn't my intention all i am saying don't think too much about the spark in any fiction it doesn't work well also I don't know how familiar the poster or even the people who replied is with other transformer media for all i know he's only familiar with the movies and Prime death wasn't as frequent in Prime so it's not as noticeable. Simply put all i'm saying is don't put too much thought in those things even the IDW comics which are easily the best written transformer media aren't always consistent on that so it's best not to bother with it. Sorry for getting my point the wrong way but I do not like hypocrite statements I do not like people giving something a free pass for one thing then condemning something else for the exact same thing. At least make certain whatever your calling a flaw everything including the best stuff isn't also guilty of.

    That's all I have to say I have no desire to start an argument than again that was never my intention, my intention was explaining in detail why some of the things you see as flaws others won't and why what don't see as flaws others might, this can come off as harsh but it's not meant to, it's just meant to give a different perspective, and just like your perspective it may not so kind to something you like.
     
  9. Livingdeaddan

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    fair enough.
     
  10. Ash from Carolina

    Ash from Carolina Junior Smeghead

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    The only thing that has been consistent about sparks and what it takes to kill a Transformer is inconsistency. Thus it's not just a movie writer, but cartoon writers and comic book writers as well that just makes it up to fit the story of the moment.

    Even a concept like status lock goes in and out of style so sometimes Transformers have status lock to cut down on the number of dead Transformers and other times there is no status lock.

    At this point it might be too late to make hard fast rules.
     
  11. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    Well said Ash.

    Man we need some ground rules for the franchise on what will kill and what will stasis.