Who cares? If you enjoyed the movie, you enjoyed it. Point blank. Critics have been doing this since 2009.

 

Bingo.

Marvel is just rich in lore...Transformers isn't even close yet.

 

Just look at the numbers of AoE in the box office.
Domestic: $245 million

Compared to Dark of the Moon's box office numbers:
Domestic: $352 million

and Revenge of the Fallen
Domestic: $402 million

and the original film
Domestic: $319 million

And take a look at the list of Paramount's all time top grossing films (read: how much money the movies actually made in profit for Paramount). Age of Extinction doesn't make the top ten.

The proof is in the numbers. With TF5 due in 2017, that's effectively on average a new movie every two years. And if the trend is any indication, the domestic market - the one Paramount makes the most money from per movie ticket sold - is plummeting from the oversaturation of the same mindless showy blockbuster film on this pattern. The films need to do something major in order to make them more marketable in light of the second superhero film boom that's coming in the next few years.

How does that make the films better if you try to artificially lower the bar like this?

That's the key problem of trying to create the TFCU - there's so little development of the individual characters that trying to spin off "spotlight" films of those characters have nothing to stand on.

The Marvel films started off by establishing the individual characters before anything else - allowing each character to be fully developed and shine in their own right so the movie going audience knows who they are. Then this becomes the key draw for the big team up films ala Avengers, as it's all those colorful characters and personalities interacting with each other to fight a threat bigger than all of them individually (and often each other in the process as well). But even the individual films are intertwined with each other that only add to their content - for example, if you haven't seen either Captain America 2 or Age of Ultron, it doesn't create a problem in Ant-Man when a guy you haven't seen before shows up on metal wings and plays security guard for the Avengers compound (which also has just magically appeared if you didn't see Age of Ultron but is explained away as being an old warehouse owned by Stark Industries in Ant-Man). But if you have seen those films, then you know exactly who the Falcon character is, how he's part of the Avengers, and of course when the Avengers compound got created, purely supplemental material but it's a universal coherency that improves Ant-Man's subtle continuity to the main storylines.

Transformers? Can't even keep the definition of Space Bridge straight between ROTF and DOTM, just to give an example of its crazy inconsistencies.

Actually, the franchise has barely enough lore to support a multiple movie system.

The problem is that these films seem incapable of understanding how to tell a goddamn story not from shoving in humans to act as the focal character points instead of the robots. A concept that WALL-E demonstrated as being far from impossible with use of live action content as there's literally one main character in the whole film who is human, and he's not in 2/3rds of the film for that matter.

 

Prove it is due to over saturation. Prove the domestic gross will not increase. It's not like we haven't seen grosses increase.

Never said it did. I just think the MCU is over rated.

 

Dude, just look at the numbers chronologically.

DOTM made less money domestically than ROTF, and AoE made less money domestically than the first film -and that's counting the super-expensive IMAX tickets, which skew the numbers of how many people actually went to see the film since no distinction is made for IMAX tickets from regular tickets.

Heck, the difference between AoE's domestic from DOTM's domestic is almost $100 million. That's twice as much as the decrease in DOTM's domestic performance from ROTF's. I'm not sure how else you think it can be proven that the movies are on a decline domestically when it clearly shows in the final tallied numbers the movies are making less money in the most important box office category when they're being put out every two years on average.

 

So what? What's your point? I never said they weren't declining. Age of Ultron's domestic gross is almost 200 million less than the Avengers. Like I said, prove that the domestic gross can't improve.

 

Internationally, the movies are on a rise, domestically, they are sinking. Also, with the 2nd super hero boom starting I'd say next year, this makes me curious as to see if people will begin to get lackluster of the superhero genre. I am actually being honest when I say this but, Even though I enjoy MCU films to an amazing degree, everytime I see more and more of them, It is starting to feel the same. AOU is the same as Avengers one, it is all getting a bit repetitive. Nothing like transformers repetitive but the repeat is still there nonetheless.

This makes me wonder, will Other non superhero big budget movies or sci-fi/fantasy movies become more popular with the increase of the amount of hero movies coming. I mean, you can obviously tell Transformers and MCU are somewhat in relation, but there are also some differences. It makes me curious as to see what the general audience will do with the overwhelming amount of comic book movies coming out, and if other films/franchises will either becoming more popular, or, die off completely.

 

I never said the domestic gross can't improve. But your entire argument here is that because there's nothing suggesting that it's possible for the films to pull a Fast and Furious style revival in domestic gross, therefore all arguments saying the films ARE on a decline pattern are irrelevant.

What I'm saying is that the films on their current trajectory, if they don't change a single thing about them, will continue to fall domestically based on the pattern of the films so far.

This doesn't apply to Fast and Furious because those films changed. They brought back Vin Diesel's character and made the story about him and his crew/family again, like the first film, and it's clearly worked even though the vehicular stunts are increasingly over the top. They went back to what worked. This is something they refuse to do for the TF films because ROTF made more money.

Well, it's reaching a point where just saying "superhero" doesn't entirely describe these films anymore, at least as far as marvel films are concerned.

Like, seriously, go watch Ant-Man. It's more of a irreverent heist film involving ants than what a typical superhero film is like. But it's also probably the BEST Marvel film yet as a result.

 

I'm not making an argument, you are.

 

I know you are but what am I!!!