Max could've built another interceptor. Knowing how dangerous the wastelands can be, it wouldn't surprise me if he was hoarding anything useful in building more of them. There has to be a main list of essential supplies hes always looking for in order to survive the new world. Maybe on one of his quests he saved some people who repayed him with a new or rebuilt interceptor?

 

Well, considering Lockdown had some seeds and he's a Cybertronian, it's safe to say they'd be known about.

 

Megatron obviously knew about it because those KSI guys researched it, remember when the tucci character calls them on the phone to ask what the radius of one of the seeds is?

The guy on the phone says the area of a tactical nuke, thus at the beginning why the creators were dropping tons of them because one seed only gives you about a cities worth of Transformium.

They had to have had this data when Megatron was in the lab so he more than likely got it from their records, I don't remember anyone acting like they knew about it even lockdown never said what it actually did.

It never says Lockdown is Cybertronian.

 

It seemed to me like the KSI guys didnt know and were just guessing. As far as Lockdown, there is nothing suggesting he isn't anything other than a non aligned Cybertronian.

 

He could be from another colony world like most other continuities have.

 

Cloud be, theres no reason to believe he is though.

 

Michael Bay and potholes. Kind of goes and in hand.

 

You know, not really sure- we kinda overuse the term "plot hole". It's used for "anything that wasn't explained as much as I'd like" these days.

 

Pretty much these. I think of it this way: there are plenty of things modern humans don't know about ancient civilizations and prehistoric species, but there are some things we do know because of evidence we have found on Earth. Likewise, the Transformers have explored Cybertorn and other planets and star systems; at times they undoubtedly found evidence of their creator's past as well as other species both living and extinct. They didn't know lots of things about the Creators, but there were some things they did know, such as the Creators using Seeds to turn organic life on many worlds into Transformium sixty five million years ago.

I also don't think the AOE origins contradict the Allspark origins at all. Transformium is the programmable metal the Transformers were made of. At a later point the Allspark gave them life; initially they were non-sentient, transforming robots who did their master's bidding and followed their instructions. Yes, I do realize the Allspark also turned human devices that were not made of Transformium into living Transformers, but that simply means there is more than one way to make a Transformer in the movies.

 

Well with all the destruction he does filming...that would make a lot of sense their would be a lot of pot holes.  

 

The ones created by the Allspark didn't had a spark so the Allspark gives life to metal object and a spark to the already built bot.But I still can't explain how they built so many generations without them realizing.

 

Yeah, but it's implied that he got the seed from the creators (Lockdown was currently working for them, remember?), as barter for Optimus, once Attinger and Cemetary Wind, delivered him. Which, to me is a bigger oddity than the whole creators/seed thing. WHY, if Lockdown is this insanely ass-kicking pro of a bounty hunter, does he need humans (creatures he views as inferior and primordial, at best) to help him get the job done?

 

Did you watch the movie? He's not that insanely ass-kicking. At all.

 

This is only true if you remove Marion from the plot, because if Indy weren't in the movie, Marion would have died in Nepal, or in Egypt, or in the desert, or during the opening of the Ark, which she didn't. So Indy does actually change the outcome of her story.

 

Eyes and ears, additional resources/guns, inside sources of intelligence. He may not think much of us, but he's not going to waste whatever usefulness he could garner from us.

 

Hahaha, true! It does take him a while to snag Optimus, and I think it's fair to say that he only nailed Ratchet because Cemetary Wind had already done all the hard work, crippling him in the process. During the climax, he's getting taken down by Bee and Wahlberg... Pitiful.

Regardless, in the context of his reputation, how other characters speak of him, and his impressive "collection" upon the Knightship (how DID he capture 4 ginormous fucking Dinobots anyway??), the writers apparently WANT you to believe he's damn near unstoppable.

 

Giant magnet, or to my belief, with the help of Shockwave.

 

^ Hmm, I like your idea of Shockwave helping Lockdown! After all, wasn't there some kind of supplemental material tying the arrival of Shockwave to the Tunguska event? That would give him about a century of time to kill, lol.

Plus, Shockwave helping Lockdown capture the Dinobots would be a pretty cool acknowledgement the whole Shockwave vs. the Dinobots story from the original Marvel Comics run.

Sounds good to me!

Well, in all fairness, the movie DOES repeatedly establish that the weapon Cade takes from the Knightship is powerfully lethal and that Cade certainly knows what he's doing with it.

And ALL the movies have established that Bumblebee is a badass.

Plus, Lockdown took some hits but he was still dominating those two anyway, until Shane and Tessa got involved and got Optimus back into the fight.

Yeah, precisely.

Cemetary Wind was obviously good at hunting and killing Autobots so why NOT enlist them as assets to achieve his goal?

And Lockdown's crew seemed pretty small whereas humans cover the entire globe and have a "home team" advantage. Getting them in on his hunt for Optimus made perfect sense.

 

Yeah, a gargantuan ship with an anti-robot magnet would help. Plus, if he did go to ground level, he could have his smaller gunships bring down Strafe, and he could well coerce the others to charge him down so he can shoot out their legs and let their own momentum grind them into defeat.

Yeah, Lockdown did pretty well all things considered. He held his own against a guy who has demolished demigods/multiple opponents/dinosaurs and managed to incapacitate him with his own sword, then he took on another accomplished robot fighter and slapped him straight out of the scene, all whilst little assholes are running tow trucks into him and shooting him with a powerful alien gun.

Dude was getting ganged up on and he still managed to hold himself pretty well, and even came close to winning the whole fiasco, until he finally got backstabbed.