One of the main reasons I think the picture of Prime's face isn't Nemesis Prime...we essentially already got that in AoE Galvatron and to do it again would be a step backwards, not forwards in narrative.

 

If Optimus is a bad guy, Nemesis Prime in name will be relevant to sell toys.

 

Annnd they've
OFFICIALLY CAST
AN ACTUAL FUCKING KNIGHT
in TRANSFORMERS: THE LAST KNIGHT.
Welcome, SIR Anthony Hopkins!!!

O_O​

 

I'm really glad the production chose "The Last Knight" as the title of this film. It shows that production is serious about running with ideas introduced in the last film. I remember people talking about how the Knight thing would be totally forgotten in the next film, but it hasn't been forgotten.

Anyways, I'm curious to see who this Knight with golden armor is. I guess we'll find out shortly.

Also, I love threads like these. Whther I agree or disagree your threads are so much better and more interesting than the endless b*tch fests and circular arguments that many movie threads devolve into. I don't know how anyone, whether they love or hate the films, could actually dislike threads like these. Thank you Hazekiah!

 

Welcome back Haz!  

 

^ I'm quite sure I have NO IDEA to what you're referring, my good sir.

I certainly had a THOROUGHLY pleasant vacation, though! Well-earned, lol.

;)

And THANK YOU SO MUCH, Galvatross! If nothing else, I always strive to ensure that my threads are at the very least intriguing, informative, and entertaining, so I very much appreciate any feedback which confirms I've met ANY of those goals! Glad to hear it, man.

Apologies to everyone else whose posts I've missed out on responding to lately, btw. I've been kinda busy irl, pressed for time, and typing slowly with my thumbs on frustrating mobile devices without access to a real keyboard lately, so longer posts, regularly scheduled replies, and keeping up with the uptick in traffic lately has been a bit of a chore. All in good time!

That said...

UPDATE TIME AGAIN!!!​

As I'm sure many of you have already seen, recent snapchat promotions for Transformers: The Last Knight have included images of a new Autobot alt. mode, presumably Hound's, which features the symbol for the Red Cross.

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Intriguingly, and most relevant to the subject of this thread as well as QUITE possibly to the movie itself, the symbolism of the Red Cross actually stems from the Middle Ages, specifically THE ORDER OF KNIGHTS known as the Rosicrucians.

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In deference to the rules of these boards, I can't really say much about them...but it's likewise relevant and worth noting that the Rosicrucians were intimately tied to and involved with the pursuit of alchemy, one of the principle pursuits of which just so happens to have been the transmutation of lead into gold.

This of course had deeper, spiritual underpinnings perhaps best understood on a metaphorical level, but regardless the core concept itself was one of...do I even NEED to say it?!? Yeah. You guessed it.

TRANSFORMATION!!!​

How FASCINATING it is then in light of that revelation that the filmmakers have QUITE HEAVYHANDEDLY hinted at the fact of THE LAST KNIGHT'S golden hue, eh?

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Maaaan, these movies have ALWAYS been positively LADEN with symbolism and subtext, but I can't HELP but feel like these new writers have REALLY outdone themselves and gone the extra mile THIS time around!!! It truly seems like THIS one in particular is REALLY gonna be something SPECIAL.

I mean...DAMN.

 

 

Annnnd speaking of the TEMENOS aboard the Knightship, I absolutely LOVE that even the set designers were in on its conceptual background!

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great read -- some of that stuff went right over my head during my initial viewing..more than meets the eye indeed!

 

Can't understand why this thread's rating is low. A lot of the stuff you've pointed out really blew my mind. Gotta love connections!

 

I have some stuff to add to this thread I believe. In the months after AOE I posted this thread:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/1000698-theory-time-megatron-knight-3.html

I proposed in that thread that Megatron was a Knight. Lockdown and the Creators specifically wanted Prime alive. They wanted the Knights captured alive, and they were unaware that Megatron had secretly survived the events of Chicago, so when Lockdown left Earth he actually thought he caught the last living Knight in Optimus. To support my theory I noted that during TF 4's production some melee weapons were seen and photographed, and the person who leaked it claimed one of the weapons belonged to

Spoiler

Megatron.

These were the same melee weapons later seen on Lockdown's ship. The news story was taken down and totally deleted from what I remember.

Now we have a full face render of Megatron, and it shows a very Knight-like battle mask covering his mouth. The Cybertronian words on his forehead translate to "Megatron" and "Knight."

Given the Joblo TLK story leak that claims Megatron will be the main villain, I have an idea as to what happens. The very last moment we see Galvatron in AOE he was vowing to meet his old enemy again, and he was walking away from Hong Kong and into the hills...the same direction where the stolen section of Lockdown's ship crashed, the same section which contained the Knights' Temenos and the melee weapons! My best guess is that being a Knight, Galvatron returns to the Knights' Temenos, selects the weapon that once belonged to him, and gets upgraded into Megatron's Knight form!

Regardless of what exact events happen, I think it's almost certain Megatron will strongly tie into the Knight lore in TLK! I can't wait!

I don't know why either. Even if you disagree or don't like the films this is simply a fun thread!

 

OMFG, thank you SO much!!!

<3 <3 <3 <3

Don't even get me STARTED, lol. This place is a NIGHTMARE sometimes.

Annnnnd quite shameful.

:-\

Wow, YEAH!!!

I only JUST learned about our ability to transcribe Cybertronian glyphs into English and OMFG it's a BIG deal. Is Megatron maybe the last knight?!?

 

And I've been avoiding-slash-unable-to-read-from-mobile-devices-THANK-FUCK any talk of the spoilerific, possible script-leak, but I really, REALLY like your idea of Galvatron commandeering the Knightship Temenos for his own purposes. That would be BRILIIANT. More to the point, he really WAS heading that direction anyway.

OMFG I LOVE IT.

Oh, and while we're on the subject of knighthood in TF movies...

The latest actor in Transformers: The Last Knight JUST SO HAPPENS to be Sir Lancelot from "Merlin," lol.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3806/12013332925_4a0b6f9146_b.jpg

:D

 

All of this would be so much more interesting if it weren't for the poor writing, and the lack of transformers characterization.

This is all pretty cool, but gets ruined by how it's implemented.

 

Yup

 

I just realized I should have said that when Lockdown caught Prime he thought he was capturing the last free living Knight given he himself had captured the other Knights, whom he also presumably caught alive.

Also, that weapons leak was taken down by Paramount's request, which makes me think one of those weapons does belong to Megatron. That also means Megatron being a Knight is not something that was just suddenly made up now, but rather it has secretly been canon for several years.

But yeah, it actually makes a lot of sense that Megatron would be a Knight the more I think about it. I actually wasn't sure if it would pan out when I posted that thread in 2014, but it looks like it actually may come to pass.

Also, there are few surviving Decepticons on Earth. It would make sense that Megatron/Galvatron would want a vessel to travel the universe and gather any remaining Decepticons among the stars, or at the very minimum use the Knights' Temenos to upgrade himself into his Knight form.

And maybe Megatron is the last Knight!

 

If Megatron was a knight before the events of the 07 movie was there a reason why he didn't bring it up before? It would take a good explanation if that's the case. Then again it's likely that he kept it a secret to even his own troops because he likely knows how it could lead to many people going up against him because of it especially if he wants to avoid being captured by the creators.

That could also imply that he may also know that Optimus is a knight yet kept it from Optimus because he's aware of Prime can do with his status as Knight if he knows.

 

Well he is a Decepticon, so deception is hardly beyond him.

I suspect that they don't fully remember being Knights because the Knights were a group of then non-sentient robots assembled for jobs the Creators programmed them to do. However, it's probable they had some sort of basic programming in their Cybertronian brains that makes them recognize some features related to the Knightship and Knights' Temenos. Once they were given life from the Allspark they didn't remember events from when they were lifeless robots.

Also, I'm willing to guess that Galvatron goes to the Knights' Temenos near Hong Kong, upgrades himself, ends up reacquainting the Temenos with the Knightship, and he commands both and is able to transform the Knightship into the dragon thing on the poster.

 

Hey, guys!

Sorry I've been kinda AWOL lately, I just got back to an actual KEYBOARD instead of my shitty cellphone for the first time in almost a year TODAY, so bear with me, plz.

:-*

"Weapons leak"...?

Sorry, if you could bring me up to speed really quick I'd love to hear about it. Not really sure what you mean by that otherwise, though.

Anyway, I definitely like the idea that Megatron was a Knight of Cybertron. In fact, it fits PERFECTLY with Optimus calling him "brother" waaaaay back at the end of the first film! And Galvatron upgrading to his Megatron/Knight mode on the still-in-play Knightship makes sense, too.

We'll see!

I don't know...it seems to ME as if Optimus was ALWAYS aware that he's a Knight. I don't really see any reason to think otherwise.

Likewise, I don't really see any reason that Megatron should have mentioned either of them being a Knight if Optimus never had. And it doesn't really seem like anyone was worried about the Creators until Lockdown showed up.

Then again, Ratchet obviously knew who he was so I guess there's that, too.

I'd be down with that last part for sure!

But, personally, I tend to think of the Knights as having been crusaders for the belief that "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings," thus explaining the schism between the Autobots and Sentinel along with Megatron and the Decepticons as well as the greater, PRIMARY (pun intended) disagreement between the Knights and the Creators.

As I see it, Cybertronians rebelled against the Creators to assert their freedom as sentient beings then embarked upon crusades as Knights to liberate others who'd been similarly shackled and/or eradicated by the Creators and didn't want to live under their heel. And the Creators built them to do their bidding, which presumably included harvesting stars to power Cybertron to manufacture more labor, etc., so the Knights and the Primes who believed in NOT destroying life to harvest stars were NOT doing what they were built to do, asserting their freedom and sentience, protecting that of others, and thereby "upsetting the cosmic balance" by way of "species mixing with species" according to their Creators.

Which, again, is basically the Autobot vs. Decepticon dynamic in a nutshell.

Seems pretty neat and tidy to ME anyway!

But now that I'm back at a REAL computer that's a thread for another time.

SOON.

 

 

The weapons leak I was talking about happened in Summer 2013. Basically a fan took a picture from the AOE set showing several melee weapons, which are the melee weapons shown in the Knights' Temenos in AOE when Cade and Shane are in the chamber evading Lockdown's minions.

The fan said that (at least) one of the weapons belonged to none other than Megatron. This site and others posted the weapons and the Megatron spoilers as a news story. However, the pictures were all taken down by Paramount's request. You can not find the news story on this site any more so far as I know.

 

Ah, that makes sense...thanks! I roadtripped all over the place and saw every single show Marilyn Manson played in the U.S. during 2013 so I was kinda busy and must've missed all that, lol. Same reason I wasn't on-set every day for the filming of TF:AoE in Chicago that Summer. Bah! You WIN some and you LOSE some, right? "The good with the bad" and all that.

I wonder if going back and translating any of the Cybertronian writing on the weapons from the Temenos might reveal the name MEGATRON like we've seen with KNIGHT and NIZZI on Megatron's face from the current production. Any idea which weapon it might have been? Just trying to find a good starting point, that's all.

Very interesting!

 

So I know someone who knows someone, etc. who helped make some props for Transformers: The Last Knight. Didn't know ANTHING about that till WELL after my posts about TF5 in this thread, though! Anyway, I just visited them for Halloween.

As soon as the news leaked that filming would take place at Stonehenge, I was SURE the Transformers would be tied the ancient stories of Merlin and "giants" at Stonehenge and it is SO satisfying to actually be holding a piece of Merlin's sarcophagus in my hand right at this moment. This whole thread feels so much more real now!

I offered my pal a hundred bucks in cash for it on the spot but no deal, lol.

It really is GORGEOUS work and I can't wait for everyone to see how awesome Merlin's tomb is in the movie.

SOMEDAY!