I don't even think they care for the general public any more. The domestic box office numbers have been dropping and instead of making better movies to draw people back it's just been lets just advertise like crazy in China and hope we can recoup some of the production cost back.

Age of Extinction was supposed to be Paramount's big film for 2014 and even in a weak field it could only place 7th place domestically. But Paramount doesn't seem to care as long as they make just enough to keep the lights on.

 

#7 in a year (domestically or otherwise) is not a failure. Also, it was the highest grosser for Paramount (and also outdid anything by Fox, Sony, and Universal), so yeah, it was their big film for 2014.

2014 Yearly Box Office Results - Box Office Mojo

Sure, you may think seventh place means failure, but do the studios also have to rethink Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (11th), Intersteller (16th), Gone Girl (18th), or Edge of Tomorrow (33rd)?

I'm not saying AoE is great, just that you should know what the numbers mean.

 

What do you guys except ot doesn't matter as long as you see the movie just look at both transformers (2007) and transformers dark of the moon

 

I feel the exact opposite. They care about the fans not the general public.

I feel as if we were the ones that drive the course of the films with our wishes like less crude humor or more personality for the robots.

 

True and besides there is also kids watching the film's as well and I agree with you electronic456

 

No, they really don't. I've learned that none of the executives really give a damn what the people who make these movies do, just as long as
1. It doesn't upset the parents, because then who else would pay for the stuff that the kids want (that they make), and
2. It makes guap. Movies keep making guap, so Hasbro (who, let's remember, HAS YET TO PUT OUT A SINGLE GOOD MOVIE AFTER TRANSFORMERS 1), in their infinite wisdom, will pretty much let Paramount do whatever they want.

Only problem with that is that these movies are SUCH a critical holocaust every time they come out, that now THEY don't care what happens. Honestly, the real problem here is Hasbro Studios - these dumbasses have NO idea how the movie business operates, all they know is money. Don't get me wrong, I love the toys they make - but good God, Hasbro is a cold, heartless, uncaring company. All they know is moolah. The Migos guys would be so proud.

So pretty much, unless Akiva Goldsman and his team REALLY care about what they do with this continuity (and if Hasbro grows some balls and kicks Michael Bay off the project for good), we're just gonna get another awful movie that everyone here will defend to their last dying breath because we don't want to accept the idea that MAYBE THESE MOVIES AREN'T GOOD. Ever since ROTF, it's been sloppy writing, convoluted plots that have a bunch of holes, over exaggerated stereotypes in place of characters, and generally confusing fight scenes, with maybe about 2 or 3 cool things in each of them that KEEP STUPID PEOPLE COMING BACK TO SEE THEM. These movies are basically the dealer, and we're the addicts - we keep coming back and willingly subjecting ourselves to them because we HOPE they get better. We even get on the defensive whenever anybody brings up a legitimate problem or criticism about these movies - that's the kind of stuff alcoholics do.

Look, I'm not saying you're stupid if you like these movies - if you do, that's fine. Hell, I like them too - some of the bad stuff is enjoyably bad, and the good things are good enough to get the job done. However, if you think that, as a whole, they're actually GOOD, then you're fucking delusional.

 

True and I agree with you agent j 15

 

I think they should maybe pull a Star Trek on it.

Have someone screw with the time line, some new big bad, and force the Autobots and Decepticons back to 1984 with a divergent time line. Have a good time poking fun at everything '80s as well as make the robot designs more simplified (not stupid, simplified!) which would translate to truly film accurate figures.

Can't make Megatron a gun? No problem. Make him a bad ass tank with lots of detail and gimmicks.

I'm not saying they have to do this, I'm not saying they should do this, I'm saying it's an option and I'd probably watch it for the cheese factor alone.

 

why should they care about the fandom, in 2010-2013 we had the war for cybertron games, Prime, Rescue bots, the movies, and the IDW comics not to mention three different toylines including generations and the fandom still managed to bitch.

Think would you care what such an ungrateful fandom wanted or would you keep catering to the people who actually liked your stuff, Ungrateful fandom who can't be satisfied with anything or general audience who don't constantly bitch and moan, is this a trick question?

Every film slumped domestically last year only one made 300 million, 7th place domestically so what number 1 worldwide which one would you pay attention to and it still made damn near 600 million worldwide without china maybe more that's not a failure that's a massive success why fix what isn't broken.

Marvel isn't they have cliche predictable scripts with generic character development and way too much humor and non threatening villains with a big battle against a bunch of faceless mooks at the end of each one

all of these are flaws but marvels doing nothing to correct them why because despite what i and others think the franchise isn't broken it's still making a mountain of money, same holds true for transformers despite what you and every critic thinks the franchise is not broken it's still making a billion age and dark made as much as all of phase one minus avengers put together let me repeat that two transformer movies made as much as five marvel movies you would have to be insane to think you need to fix something.

they know they have fans who love the movie franchise so they're going to keep focusing on them while taking other criticisms to heart and move forward but they're not going to scrap everything and start from scratch why would they the franchise is in no danger of dying, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

 

People waving around quantity as if it's a substitute for quality is a constant source of amusement. Not to say everything listed was/is rubbish, but at least half of it was, IMO.

 

Megatron was a cybertronian tank.Him being a human-made tank like in G2....I wouldn't think it would be for the best.

 

Then be happy with what wasn't they didn't have to give you any of that but they did, I'm not all that fond of the marvel cinematic universe it's just losing me but oh well i really like the X men franchise and everything i hear about the DC cinematic universe excites me so i'll be happy with that while other people are happy with the MCU nothing wrong with that but i'm not going to complain because every movie franchise i watch isn't exactly how i want it that's spoiled, selfish and ungrateful

If all but the IDW comics sucked than be happy for the comics or the games or the show or whatever transformer universe you like be grateful for it, be grateful that there is a transformer universe you can enjoy even if you think all the rest are awful you still have whichever one it is that you like.

I hate damn near everything we are getting right now, but i'm still getting the movies and the comics which i like so i don't care that there are two shows i hate i'm still getting something i like so i'll be grateful for that so long as i'm getting one transformer thing i like i will be grateful and so long as i'm getting at least two i will be happy and satisfied because that's all i need.

 

Look at where the franchise was compared to where the franchise is now.

In 2009 Revenge of the Fallen took in $402 million and came in second place only because nothing was going to touch Avatar that year. They beat the 3rd place film Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince domestically by $100 million.

Transformers manged 3rd place which is good for a new franchise.

Dark of the Moon managed 2nd place.

Even with ticket inflation and 3D showings Age of Extinction brought in $245 million domestically so that's a lot of people who watched Revenge of the Fallen but didn't return for Transformers 4. Age of Extinction only finished $4 million better than Maleficent. If Transformers was still a strong domestic brand then it should have been up there with American Sniper instead of coming in behind the Hobbit franchise that felt like a film too far for causal fans.

 

Sadly there's some truth here.

It is kind of like the fanboy who rage quits a video game and posts of the the official forums about lawsuits and never buying their games again but is playing them again the next day.

The only way to get these Transformers movies to be critical successes is to stop seeing the critical flops.

TF07 was the best to date and it wasn't all the great beyond the eye candy of seeing giant robots transform for the first time in live action.

ROTF was a horrible movie and DOTM wasn't much better. AOE started off quite strongly and then when Galvatron went on his own mission it all fell apart.

I say this as a life long TF fan. I'd love to be able to go to my SciFi movie collection and actually pull out a TF movie instead of a MCU one.

 

My guess is that the first film will about bumblebee the either hound, drift , crosshairs or optimus prime

 

Their plan is to milk it dry!

 

So basically they're going to copy The Avengers' formula?

Can I ask how that's going to work? Transformers is nothing like the Avengers. The Transformers started out as a group from the get-go while the Avengers started out as a crossover between various superheroes with their own books.

I don't think copying another franchise's formula isn't going to earn Paramount extra cash. I've seen this with the video game industry where back in the 7th gen, a lot of first person shooters were trying to win the Call of Duty crowed over by copying CoD's formula. Thing is, it didn't work since they already had Call of Duty to play and didn't need a clone of it. It's the same here. If we've already got the Avengers to watch, why do we need an Avengers clone?

And besides copying Marvel's formula doesn't seem to be working out for DC, why would it work for Transformers? What are they going to do? Cross it over with G.I. Joe, My Little Pony and whatever other franchises Hasbro has under its belt? It would only work with G.I. Joe (and the movies for that franchise aren't exactly working out either). I don't think several movies focused on individual Transformers would be interesting.

 

I always love these threads that pretend that there is going to be amazing information to be found and that there is loads of thought put into these movies, but all they offer is fanboy speculation designed to convince yourself that these are fantastic movies.
They're not, they are fun and offer a great time while sitting down, but that's it. There is nothing thought provoking about them, there is also no real plan, they make these up as they go along based on the products they can sell.

 

Pretty much^ The level of blind fanaticism on here is really something else.

 

IDW has shown time and again that they're able to do mini series and different ongoing comics featuring different casts of characters or in some case focusing on one character so I wouldn't view this as an Avengers clone formula as it's more of a way to have the chance to give character who didn't get much to do more fleshing out and to explain some plot elements or in some cases holes. Not to mention it may help people to get more interested again if they have different types of characters and themes to explore like in the MCU.

Not every movie fan thinks that way. Most are aware of the flaws but also enjoy what the movies have to offer and are hoping future ones will get better. It's not different from fans of other TF series. As for the movies not having effort into them well maybe in some cases but from what we're hearing about the TFCU it looks like that'll change since they may try to put more effort into them which may actually be the best thing to have happened for the movies if they played their cards right.