I don't really understand why people always said if a movie is completely set in Cybertron and no any human characeter, it will be a animated film, which is childish. These thing can be prevented. First let's talk about the size of the Transformers. How can we know they are larger than us, taller than us? Because there are human. I want to point out if there's no human character, we don't know the actual size of the Transformers. So if the film is set in Cybertron, Transformers size don't really have huge different(of course there will be some character slightly large or slightly small, but its a rare case). They can build a practical set of Cybertron, which is 'scale down' to our size, and then use motion capture to produce Transformers character. So this is not going to be an animated film if its set on Cybertron.
It would be an animated film since it would all be created in a computer. It might not look like a cartoon but if they are no filming actual real things, it is animated.
Because even if they did build sets - which would be impossibly costly - all the large scale vistas and the transformers themselves, who would be onscreen for the entire run time, would need to be computer animated. The cost and time required for this would be entirely prohibitive. It would be a half billion dollar film and take 3 years to make.
...what would a robot's relative height to a human have to do with making a film in a film that would take place on an alien world with no humans? I didn't think the fish in Finding Nemo were gigantic until we saw a human, because I know what fish are. Just like if you're watching the FIFTH movie in a franchise, you'd have some idea of relative scale
If it's done in the current movie style which is 3-d animation, it would be hard for normal people to distinguish the robots from the backgrounds and the other machines, even though people here say it's easy to see. It would be a whole movie that looked like the opening of DOTM, with metal bits flying here and there. The movies are not aimed at kids the toys from the movies are.
They could do it, but it would have to be a reboot, because there's no way Bay would do that, he relies on human actors too much. One thing I've wondered, is why Hasbro hasn't made any animated shows/films to tie into the movieverse? They have TFP which is movie inspired, but it's still a different universe. The live action films could benefit from a show that tells the backstory, and develops the characters, and then the movies could just focus on the battles and everything Bay likes. It still wouldn't be the best version of Transformers in my mind, but it would make the series more enjoyable for me, and make it bigger and add more to it. Right now we only have a few comics most people don't even pay attention to.
I don't think you understand what I mean. Imagine Transformers are just a up-scale size of human. Or, imagine human are Transformers and small animals as human.
I think that could work, but size isn't the main thing that determines cost of CGI, in this case it's the detail level. If they were to do a fully Cybertron movie, they'd probably have to make them look like the WFC characters, which I would like, but save that for a reboot. It would probably look like this: Transformers: War for Cybertron - Full Trailer - YouTube E3 Trailer -- Official Transformers: Fall of Cybertron Video - YouTube Which is fine with me, I think these trailers looks more realistic and more impressive than the movies' CGI anyway.
They were pretty impressive looking i'll give them that. I'd like a full length feature animated film with CGI like that....not designs though.
This 100 %. If a live action film were to go off world, I think the best option would be to have a good portion of the scenes be filmed in natural Earth locations meant to be other planets. I'm sure there's a desert location somewhere that would make a lovely Chaar. Assuming future films stay largely on Earth, I would like to see more scenes, especially battles, take place in truly wild areas as opposed to heavily populated cities or the Middle Eastern/North African desert ruins in '07 and ROTF.
Well to get all technical CGI is a form of animation. It's a moving image made only from drawings it's just that computers are handling the bulk of the busy work in rendering those images. As to why we don't call GCI animation all the time is because when people think live action animation they think something like Rodger Rabbit so it's just easier to distinguish the art styles by saying CGI. While some people will disagree I think a movie set on Cybertron is just a bad idea. Humans provide a short cut for showing off why the Autobots are good guys and the Decepticons are the bad guys. Having real world sets and real world cars gives viewers a feeling after the film of hey what if one of the cars in the parking lot was a Transformer. Plus having a camera at human eye level has really let the films show off the size of the bots, just wouldn't be the same if the camera was always set at Prime's or Megatron's eye level. And like other people said cost because Paramount would have to be able to make their money back. 100% CGI and not set on Earth then Paramount can't get that extra cut of the Chinese box office for being a co-production film.
I agree with everything in this post except I actually would like to see the camera angles spend a bit more time at 'bot height'. It's very hard to empathise with the robots as characters when we spend half the films on the deck looking up their noses. That's not really the main problem though - it's how in the current films their interaction is awkward and frequently downright stupid. If these guys were normal actors you wouldn't take anything they did or said remotely seriously. A little more dry wit, as opposed to slapstick comedy, wouldn't go amiss either. I haven't seen the new movie all the way through yet, but I did like the 'I was expecting a giant car' comment.
I used to want Transformers to be completely alien, with no humans at all, but TFP was the first series that made me understand the importance of humans in the story. Now I'd prefer the majority of Cybertron stuff be reserved for tie in material, and take a backseat. Except WFC. That was cool, but I wouldn't want to see it all the time. A little Cybertrin goes a long way. This is the main reason I hate the series fight scenes. It also shows that Bay still thinks Transformers is the human's story, not the robots'.
I have to agree. Humans are important for the "robots in disguise" aspect of the franchise. Sorry, but I really don't think the human story factor is a Bay only thing. Transformers have to be CGI when not in vehicle mode (assuming their vehicle mode is real and not CGI, which isn't always the case). Due to CGI costs, there's naturally going to be a limit on the amount of time on screen even regular-sized Transformers can spend. Giant CGI creations like Lockdown's ship and the Dinobots are going to be even more limited for time. Also, no matter what one thinks of the movies, to their credit the stories have been more focused on the Transformers as time has gone on, and there has been more robot screen time also. Any director would have a lot of human focus. I don't see there being this new director who can magically reduce the cost of quality CGI cost and who also is so passionate about Transformers. Bay, Abrams, Whedon, Toro, Jackson, Speilberg, if you name them, they're going to have a lot of human time in a live action movie. I also haven't seen another director with the desire to direct, either, and most if not all of the ones I just mentioned either have full slates or wouldn't direct in a million years.
This. This. The scale for the Transformers wouldn't be an issue. We already have an idea how big Optimus is so with him in the movie it would help give viewers an idea how big everything else would be. If something like this would ever take place it would be considered a CGI animated film. But because of how detailed the Transformers alone are, Cybertron must be 10x's that much detailed I'd imagine. The little scene we saw in DOTM of the old war was remarkable, but I doubt anyone would want to spend over 700 million dollars to make such a project. Unfortunately earth will continue to be filmed for future Transformers films. I would appreciate if for the next films we get to see the planet of the Creators, other planets where the remaining Autobots can seek refuge or at least bringing back Cybertron in some shape or form. I miss the protoforms from TF1, I want to see more of those.
Back in G1 the only reason I could think of for them having an alt mode on Cybertron was because it beat walking. With nothing living on Cybertron except for the Transformers any vehicle driving down the street had to be a Transformer so not exactly what you'd call the most cunning of disguises.
We're talking CG here. It costs enough to have guys like ILM make Dinobots. Imagine that but for 2 hrs straight.
