How would we the public react to cemetery wind in real life?.

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by lockeddown, Nov 4, 2014.

  1. uruseiranma

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    I assume people's reactions in the Bayverse, is no different than Gotham's to Batman in Nolan's:

    A huge amount of people just assume they're a menace, while there are a few hundred that don't care, or know the Autobots are the good guys...provided they don't smash your car, or send you rolling 500 ft along a country road at 12 miles an hour (and as long as you don't need skin-grafts).
     
  2. kaiserlisk

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    I don't disagree with the idea of educating people about current events and I'd also like to amend my word choices in my argument; I don't think we'd necessarily be against or supportive of Cemetery Wind, but at best, we'd be accepting or passive about the matter because chances are we won't see sentient alien organisms as anything other than machines. It took centuries for us to recognize other races as human beings and for us to recognize that race is merely a social construct, so why would we extend that same recognition to aliens?

    However, I do believe that education, while important, will ultimately give in to fear and hysteria depending on the media you subscribe to. Education is good, but like Ash said, fearmongering by the media and the actions of a few extremists plays a big role too in determining public reaction(and that's all I can really say without going into forbidden territory.) By DotM, we already have a prominent media personality who expresses the idea that the Autobots needed to leave for the world to feel safe; at the same time, he discredits one of the biggest proponents of the Autobot-human alliance by painting him as an incompetent loon. Again, after Chicago, I wouldn't put it past the media to place a lot of emphasis on Sentinel and his allegiances in support of a negative view of all Cybertronians.


    I guess what I'm trying to say is that the public would come to believe that giant honking robots who could easily crush you can't be trusted to fight for you when it's clear that faction can be rendered meaningless.


    Any collateral damage Cemetery Wind has caused can and has been matched by the actions of Cybertronians however necessary or unavoidable it was and human rights violations are often ignored for the sake of security. We see the latter in a lot of history up to even now. Public outcry for violence against people is a biggie, yes, but the Yeagers could still have been painted as being on the wrong side of the law for harboring an alien.
     
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    They'd be all like "That really happened? A whole damn unit of the CIA was killing allied aliens that saved the world and giving the body parts to a billionaire so he could create an army from a newly discovered magic ore? That sounds about as realistic as something out of a Michael bay movie."
     
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    Good grief celtic, it's just a discussion question. The OP doesn't appear to be "worried" about anything.


    I think there would be quite a bit of apathy about CW's treatment of TF, but CW's treatment of citizens, deal with Lockdown, and motives would cause an outrage.
     
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    they would probably be mad initially and then just lose interest and go about their days kinda like the MH370 incident
     
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    haha, well played
     
  7. Ash from Carolina

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    That has kind of bothered me about modern films, that if aliens did come to Earth that every nation would not be scrambling to get their hands on it to make the arms race of the Cold War seem quaint. Not just the Transformers films but even after The Avengers it seems like more than just HYDRA and a few criminals would be doing all they could to get their hands on alien tech.

    But big budget films are international so no nation can ever be the bad guy because it might hurt ticket sells either there or in a nation that was allied to the nation that was the bad guys in a film. Kind of seems like North Korea is the only place that can be modern film bad guys because it's the one place Hollywood can't sell their films.
     
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    Sorry
     
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    That's true. Hollywood won't piss off future money.
     
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    Remember to put yourself's in the shoes of the people in DOTM and AoE. If something like Cemetery Wind existed, people would be all for them. You would too if you found out that a bunch of giant techno-organic aliens tore up a major city and most of them got away. Hell, even if there were civilian casualties, CW would have covered that up by saying "Autobots did it" or "Alien cultists defend invaders". Fox News, BBC, and CNN would have you brainwashed before you had any second thoughts. The only people I think who would catch on the fact there are good aliens are hackers and spies that are digging around for personal gain or guys who just want dirt on CW.

    Just my thoughts on the matter. Just remember to put yourselves in the shoes of Bayformers common folk before "your" thoughts.
     
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    I would feel they are extremist that could try to reason with the visitors, I wouldn't support them anymore than I support police brutality.
     
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    They would say... "Thats a Autobot right there the ones who fought for us"
     
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    there are real cemetary wind type group...they are PMC. Legally Hired Guns for whatever purpose.
     
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    Well, "Cemetary Wind" is a real group just isn't..well called that.

    Cemetary Wind is effectively a group within the CIA's Special Activities Division(SAD). SAD is split up between two groups...Special Operations Group(SOG) and Political Action Group(PAG).

    SOG is the most recognizable element of SAD. They're the shooters, the spies, the assassins. They're drawn and recruited from the best of the best from USSOCOM.

    PAG are the CIA guys who do political subterfuge, economical warfare, cyber warfare, and psychological stuff.

    Cemetary Wind is most definitely a SAD/SOG unit.
     
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    I imagine people would hate a group trying to kill alien migrants.
     
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    You mean "migrants who brought a devastating war with them"?
     
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    Well in all fairness the decepticons were here first so :p  without a war it'd be the end of the world regardless.
     
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    About the same level of outrage as the General Public is currently outraged by misconduct by various branches of the armed forces and three letter government agencies.
    As long as it doesn't stop the $$$ coming in, 500 channels on TV, cheap booze,a little weed, takeout pizza, healthcare, a warm dry place to live and the personal automobile. The general public will turn a blind eye rather than "stir the pot".
     
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    And you could probably apply the term "migrant" to the Decepticons. Megatron even had a quaint little home in Africa. Good luck getting the general public to differentiate between Decepticons and Autobots, without the help of a detailed field guide. And Cemetery Wind, being in the CIA, would have no trouble burying their illegal activities, hence why they tried hard to kill Marky Mark and his friends, as those people could have potentially exposed them.
     
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    Sometimes we give our people too much credit. We want to believe they'd stand up and say "No!" and rage against the machine, but we'd be wrong. Stanley Tucci's Joshua said it in one line and it's true: "The world? The world will approve! We can make you now. Don't you get it? We don't need you anymore."

    Through the efforts of Cemetery Wind, an alien invasion has been stopped in it's tracks. On top of that, not only did they avenge the death of scores of people in Chicago, they also helped obtain the alien technology so we can create large numbers of fully programmable, completely loyal robotic product that will replace soldiers on the front line and in the line of fire from this point on. Not to mention, Transformium will change people's lives. Almost anything you can think of, from the Beats Pill to a high tech prosthesis for those who've been irreparably injured. Not to mention, transportation running completely on renewable energy sources and not fossil fuels, plus the family's vehicle will also double as a body guard and companion, all in one. Boundless opportunities thanks to the efforts of Cemetery Wind and the new Government contract obtained by KSI with the CIA's blessing.

    Writing all of the above bullshit made me realize that it's so close to the truth it sickens me. Once the truth came out (well, parts of it) some people would be up in arms and angry about being flat out lied to and supporting the extinction of another race, especially an alien race we could learn from, but their numbers would be few and far between. Everyone else? Especially the gun nuts... They'd find excuses to stand with Cemetery Wind and their actions. It's amazing how many people will not only turn a blind eye to such a situation, but be perfectly accepting of it and even want to reap the benefits of such a thing.

    If you could publicly prove that the US and other countries worked with the Autobots, gave them shelter, helped them stop terrorists and the Decepticon threat, that they died for our sake, that they were all slaughtered so KSI could make some money so the head honcho at Cemetery Wind could retire with a HUGE nest egg, then and only then might something be done.

    Problem is, there are far more people who would be in the first camp (even with facts in their faces) than there would be those who'd be outraged when the truth came along.

    I'm not trying to be a glass is half empty kind of guy, I'm just being a realist. Outside of people being mad that we worked with aliens to begin with, that we allowed Chicago to happen, that people and companies profited off of it, nothing would get done. KSI would lawyer up, the CIA would show why we "need" their outfit at Cemetery Wind, and most of the people would eat it up and there'd be much ado about nothing.

    Joshua was right, the people wouldn't give a damn.