In the Ultron vs Transformers I'm going to have to go with Ultron as well.

For Ultron to be a creditable threat in a film played up as big Avengers 2 then he's going to have to be able to stand up to Cap's shield, Iron Man's tech weapons, Thor's hammer, Hawkeye's aim, Hulk's rage, and Blackwidow's sexy, yes I know Blackwidow does more than sexy but Scarlett Johansson in that outfit can make you forget other stuff.

Transformers have been beaten by run of the mill weapons so not as tough as something that has to stand up to a combined beating by A list superheroes.

Maybe Prime could take Ultron since the writers just dial up his power level to insane levels whenever they feel like it. Or perhaps Bumblebee because he's got plot armor so thick you could take every science fiction villain in the history of TV and movies and it still wouldn't be enough to kill Bumblebee.

 

Optimus Prime vs Ultron.

Now that's a fight I want to see.

 

All I see out of it is a ton of attempts at face removal and a bad script. It's all on you though.

 

It was Old Man Pym, trying to get into the Avengers movie with an Ultron costume!

And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that meddling Autobot! And his stupid giant robot T-rex too!

 

i find it hilarious that you're arguing the merits between super humans and transforming robots. lol.

transformers are simply alien life forms that are robotic and are able to transform.. i personally find that a little more believable than a person who, with the help of gamma radiation (really?) can turn into a hulk when their BPM gets too high.. or a person who was given a super soldier serum.. i can understand tony's suit, but, what i don't understand is how he can get hit by a missile while in the air, fall to the ground and be perfectly fine. i mean, his body and brain are still stopping in an instant, and there's not nearly enough padding in that suit to cushion his fall.. so, that always seemed odd to me. thor and black widow are probably the most believable avengers to me.

but all that being said.. why do we need to argue about which is better.. CLEARLY the story telling and characters in the marvel films are better. yes, that's an opinion, but it's an extremely popular opinion that is VERY difficult to argue against.

what it comes down to is that one franchise seems to be taken more seriously when it comes to constructing a connected universe, while the other one doesn't isn't taken seriously, doesn't provide explanations for missing characters, or explanations for new characters.. also, another MAJOR point is that the avengers movie is about the avengers, while the transformers movies are about humans with transformers helping. i used to believe it had to do with budget.. but at this point i don't believe that.. at this point i think it's coming from the idea that was utilized for the first movie and that was to provide awe and scale. well, after a couple movies, that is lost and is no longer needed.

oh well.

 

The only transformers a can see trying to take on ultron from the bayverse are Optimus and Lockdown and maybe Sentinel. Optimus could because he has the plot armor, Lockdown might be able to because he was the best thing that happened to the movie verse, and sentinel is just straight up a good fighter(with a huge ass shield). For the argument on who would win hulk vs Bayformer its obviously the hulk, anybody in their right mind could agree with that, I mean he is literally indestructable. A better match would be hulk buster vs a transformer.

 

Both of these caused heavy damage to the spark

I said humans need to have such weapons.

Considerign they take rocket fire to the face, and that it was obviously not a human made grenade i think its pretty self explanitory

Considerign hes a warrior with millions of years of combat experience and has a computer for a brain, Yes


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none of these should matter, even if they did, Optimus still doged a shot trained right at him in point blank

Do you know what Laser Guided strikes are?

One instance that ignores all the others. Fur

Or hes just very durable like many of the others are. Also who cares if he can't read?

You said "Shooting some one in the face Dosen't kill them" i said not transformers because multiple transformers survive it, Devastator had a full grown bot burst through his head and it didn't even slow him down

he took multiple shots from bumblebee while shooting him but missed, after he toook all that damage from the other autbots and military and jets.

Also nice tryign to deflect the fact that getting an arm cut off didn't do any thing

I'm talking about the movies, i never said any thing but the movies, your the one trying to use kid novelizations,

I never said he wasn't, He was damaged and fairly bezerk but he was still moving and tearing shit up.

The marines ha d just come back from a mission, and they were still receiving attack helicopters plus the ground vehicles they had

the marines in the begining of the movie and the marines when he entered the battle in the city.

seeing the Enemy is wrecking your shit and tanking long range fire, getting on a bike to get in close and fire from the only real blind/weakspot it has IS quick thinking

What? no its not Dude. The hulk was Almost beaten buy the military with lesser weapons designed to simply catch him
no Tanks no Jets only one attack copter, no sabot rounds.

Using The fact that some transformers lose to the military WITH the support of other Transformers dose not help your case.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

Enh, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, here, since ultimately we're clearly of two different minds on these matters.

Of course, you'll support anybody who disagrees with me because you hate my guts and actively try to tear me down every chance you get. Indirectly, of course  

 

No, I like logical arguments. I see you don't like having multiple people disagree with you, I gotcha.

 

Oh? Your own precious fanfic begs to differ.

So don't go into "logical arguments" when you fail to address ones poised against you because -gasp - you can't spin it into your favor. You only like "logical arguments" when you are on top, when you have the advantage, when you think you can't lose. Actual logic has nothing to do with it.

Hell, you had nothing to do with this thread until you realized I was involved and somebody was meeting me point-for-point in a heated debate. So you came in here to attack me indirectly. And then suddenly you start attacking another user for questioning you? Man, just...just let it go.

 

I feel as though you may have misquoted here...

 

Doesn't matter, it's going to be ignored again by the person it's meant for anyway.

Which is my point about how that person outright ignores anything that doesn't feed his ego.

Kind of like...every single one of the Transformers film bad guys, come to think of it.

 

1. The device was designed to peirce and then explode.

2. A firework goes boom too do you think that would work?

Just cause 2 things go boom dosen't mean they are the same thing

The Time it takes to recognize a shot is about to take place and anticipate it to move is less then a second. Most people can't even do that with a ball, prime dose it with a a Fusion cannon. You can't disregard this speed feet

Chief Master Sergeant Epps: I hope those F-16s got good aim.
Major Lennox: Yeah? Why's that?
Chief Master Sergeant Epps: I told them to hit the orange smoke.
[looks slowly at the orange smoke a few feet to his right]
Major Lennox: You mean that orange smoke?
Chief Master Sergeant Epps: It wasn't my best throw...
Chief Master Sergeant Epps, Major Lennox: RUUNNN!
[makes a break for it as the rain comes]

Being able to get shot in the face, or Toseed through a Grindor and come out kicking is a sign of Durability.

In AOE prime got shot through the chest at least three times.

I'm not sure how this isn't "quick thinking"

 

Still, it could end with something awkward between you and Barricade24. :I

And who cares? That's what the ignore list is for.

 

Your the one arguing for the "all things that go boom" are the same, ignoring things like "is it chemical based or energy based, is it hotter then normal, whats the shrapnel out put" ect.

Your agreeing with me you realize that right?
I said you need Experience, Being able to what you described is not some thing most people can do. And i doubt most people could do it with a fusion canon even with training

This was from the ROTF scene you were talking about Actually

Teh Grinder bits are located in his mouth, Mudflap wasn't able to hold onto his grip and was sucked into them just as the screen cut, but Devastator stil lclosed his mouth, and he withstood it.

Their anatomy is different,t If that damage doesn't actually do damage then its still durability.



Ok, then I'm going to get literal again.

quick-thinking: definition of quick-thinking in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)

You are having narrow view of a moment, Being able to come up with a plan like that and coordinate and then execute it as quickly as he did would be quick thinking.