Ok, I've been thinking. Would people still go see this movie if it was just about some generic robots. There is no connection to Transformers at all. All of the information is still the same. We still have Kennywave. Mutebee is still there. Its a movie about humans as they get 70% of the screen time. A chase for the "magic glasses" is the main plot of the movie.

Would people still go see the movie? How well do you think it would be received by audiences? Do you think it would be memorable or just another random action flick that is forgotten as soon as you walk out of the movie?

 

The overall fandom(online or offline) probably wouldn't,but the general public DEFINATELY.It's been said numerous times this isn't a movie for the fans but for the general public

As to how well it would be recieved it's IMPOSSIBLE to tell.ESPECIALLY without seeing the movie.And you may not like it but Transformers IS a Sci-Fi action cartoon in general.So the movie WILL be a Sci-Fi action movie & a lot movies really are forgotten about after the person walks out.But seriously you're being to cynical about this

And why all this negativity towards a movie that's JUST started filming.You seem to be getting SERIOUSLY vexed over nothing concrete at the moment.90% of all your posts (judging from your post history) regarding the movie has been negative

You're placing TOO MUCH faith in reviews of scripts that may or may not be the ACTUAL script.

Do you REALLY think Hasbro would allow this movie unless they'd do it right?The original movie was done EXACTLY how G1 was.Plus the directing team seems to want to stay true to Transformers.So just wait and see.

BTW reading a movie isn't the same as SEEING a movie.So even if these scripts are the FINAL scripts,while on paper it might not sound right.Seeing the movie in person might give a more positive vibe

 

You know, I don't know why you want to wait till the movie to judge. Of course, thats the best way, but then this entire section that TFW2005 created for the movie would be useless. No one would express their views on news and rumors as everyone would wait till the movie to do so. Thats the point of me taking my time in writing this - I WANT to discuss the news and rumors. If I did listen to you, you wouldn't see my face or anyone else's around here anymore. What do you want? The entire board to agree in harmony that this movie will be awesome no matter how its done?

Believe me, if I LIKED the script or news/rumors I have been hearing, I would be writing so. I, unfortunately, don't.

There are dozens of sci-fi movies that come out every year. Is attaching the name TFs the only way this movie will stand out? What is going to set this movie apart BESIDES the TF name? Will people rave about the clever plot? Will people form an attachment to well developed characters? Or will this be a pure action fest? Hulk was an action fest and I turned off the DVD halfway through.

 

Because that's the only TRUE way to know if I'll like it.Yes I've ACTUALLY read the reviews,I pay attention to the rumors.But in my eyes rumors are just rumors. When these rumors are proven to be true by Murphy or Bay then I'll comment.And those 2 are being pretty tight lipped about it.Besides some of those rumors sound too stupid to be true anyway.I mean Murphy stated that Soundwave won't appear till the 2nd movie.As for this Kennywave character,that's a fan thing used to stir the hornet's nest.And using G1 as an example,Rumble and to a lesser extent Frenzy were pretty much the comic relief of the cartoon.

Actually what I DO WANT is for the general fandom to quit getting so vexed over the movie in general.People have been getting vexed over it since late 2005. Besides,these rumors have been discussed to the point that it's beating a dead horse

Well

1)All we know of the plot is that the Tansformers come to earth looking for the Matrix.And to be honest if it's true to Transformers in general.The plot of the various serials was hardly clever.It's basically the same plot of Autobots and Decepticons coming to earth looking for something.Beast Machines & the later half of Beast Wars was the only show to take TFs in a different direction

2)Without knowing the full cast,it'll be hard to form an attachment to ANY characters.We only know the human cast and honestly they fit their respective roles perfectly.So depending on how their roles come across on the big screen it's hard for me to form an attachment

3)Impossible to judge if this movie's an action fest.All we have to go on are reviews of a leak script that might not even be the final script being used to film the movie.To judge the action,I'll need to see ACTUAL film footage for that.

Hence why I said I'm going to wait and see.

It sounds like you want this film to be an oscar winner. Even Spiderman and X-Men never won an Oscar.And those were good movies.I still say Transformers will be good.Just that people are expecting too much from a toyline meant for kids.

 

Did you not read what I wrote? I agreed that the best way to judge something is to wait for the finished product. So what? You can kill all discussion on these boards by continuing your quest to keep saying "Wait till the movie to judge". Basically you are wanting for all of us to stop talking. Pleas think about this for a moment. If everyone on this board did what you did or want us to do, no one would talk about anything. We have fun and pass the time debating rumors. So what? We know we might be wrong but thats the whole point of following rumors - to discuss them.

If we did it your way, everyone would respond to every, single piece of information in this way "That is interesting, but seeing as how it isn't officinally endorsed by Bay or Murphy, I will wait till the movie to judge". You could apply that to all the recent news - the music, the characters, the plot, the helicopter seen flying around, everything. That would be very boring.

In response to that, you say your main problem is that people are getting vexed. Thats probably due to the reason that you think this movie is ok. Well, we who are vexed don't think the movie is ok. Its our opinion to express it. Why are you trying to control other people's reactions? Its one thing to discuss the merits of the movie on its own but another thing to get upset that others are getting upset. If you really wanted to support the opinion this movie isn't going to be bad, you should do more than say "wait till its released". Give some good logical reasoning.

So tell me, Shaun_C, what do you want? I can stymie all discussion and be right all the time if on every new thread I were to say "Wait till the movie to judge, to do so now is stupid". I'd be right. I'd also end all discussion.

I think the problem is that you want everyone to not stop discussing news and rumors but to only be positive about it.

 

If it had lots of titty action and eye candy effects....yep. They would.

 

I wouldn't, well it depends.... Like I, robot sometihng like that movie I don't like those kind of movies.

 

I'm not trying to symie anything

Superion33 I'm not trying to stop discussion of anything. But you and others are using rumors as a basis to say the movie will suck a.k.a. an assumption

Now with the X3:The Last Stand thread in GD there was LOTS of info available about the movie before it was released.Therefore we could have a discussion.Since production stills were available,as well as cast news and video clips.

We don't have any of that for the movie.Hence it makes it hard to have the type of discussion you want w/o beating a dead horse.All we know for fact is mainly the cast.We don't even know who's voicing the TFs yet.

And we can still have discussions about the movie.But just not about things we can't know till we see it.And you may not have noticed but this forums DOES talk about the news as it's released.

Now when more FACTUAL news is released regarding ANYTHING about the movie.Then you'll see some conversation.It's just that right now these rumors & "leaked scripts" have been discussed to death and there's nothing left to say.

We just have to play the waiting game till more news is released

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Now on July 4th as seen in this thread then you might see the conversation you want.As that's bound to generate both negative and positive opinions.

 

You're right - we're using rumors as the basis for our assumption. Whats so bad about that? Its all we got to go on. Anyways, its not like these rumors or leaked scripts are 100% false. They are in fact even acknowledged by Michael Bay to be scripts that were considered. Since they acknowledged that this was a draft, we can assume that the final version will have similarities to this leaked script. What those similarities will be, no one knows. However, whats so bad about debating rumors?

Why should I wait till after clips get released to voice my opinion. In fact, a lot of the griping is done in the hopes that there is still a chance that they will be changed. What you're gonna hear people say when clips get released is "I don't like it" and "I like it" but thats it. There won't be any reason to discuss it at that point. Why gripe about something that you can't change? Might as well move on at that point.

Do you see people discussing the original TF movie at this point? No. Its because the move is already done. Do you see people discussing what they want changed? No. Its cuz the movie can't be changed. Its too late.


I like debating rumors. People have an incentive to debate them. People back up their opinions with supporting arguments. Its both an exercise in voicing your opinon, trying to improve the movie in the way you see, and also its a way to keep your discussion skills sharp.

So, in effect, your stance that you don't want to debate rumors would in effect stop all discussion on these rumors. Thats a fact.

In effect, you wanting to wait till official stuff gets released will only mean that those things can't be changed. It will be too late.

So I disagree with you in both of the above two things.

What do you think would have happened if Mutebee and Kennywave information was only released after it had been confirmed by Michael Bay himself to have been factual? People would have become upset and a lot of us wouldn't have even gone to see the movie. At least now, those people who are upset have a chance (however small that may be) to try to change it.

 

It's too late for any changes since filming's begun already.

And FYI I've seen NUMEROUS discussions on the '86 movie.Ranging from picking out the inconsistencies to the storyboards to what we as adult fans would've liked to see in the movie.

And a further FYI when clips are released they'll be EVEN MORE conversation because you'll have people stating what they liked/didn't like and why.And at least then it's based on concrete fact.

Because rumors aren't necessarily true.Basing opinions on something that could be false is dangerous.It simply adds to the negativity of the fandom as a whole.

 

This isn't about being right!! Why don't you understand that? This is about having fun discussing the movie with as much information as we have. Yeah its dangerous, but I am fine with that.

I already admitted to you so many times that of course you'd be right more than me by waiting till the movie to judge. Of course thats the best way. But don't you understand that some of us are fine debating rumors? Some us are waiting for any table scraps (rumors) to debate it. Is that so wrong? Some people waste their time playing video games. Others chat on the internet. I spend my time writing on message boards.

Basing my opinions on rumors isn't that bad. Its my opinions and opinions change all the time. If the rumors change, the opinon changes. I think you should understand that this isn't some deep-seated opinion I have that won't change no matter what.

You're tired of the negativity. I get it. But why try to control others. Its only going to stress you. You have your own opinions as do I. We can agree to disagree. The point is to discuss and at least see the other viewpoint. I understand your viewpoint, but it seems you don't understand mine.

Oh, and one last thing, I don't think everything is set in stone yet. There is still more than a year left till this movie is released. Movies have been made in much shorter times than a year.

 

Maybe.... I don't know its hard to say.
But I think I wouldn't.

 

Not my way I suppose.I prefer to have a clear picture before I give solid opinions on TF related matters.

I CAN'T formulate a solid thought on a rumor.

Like when we saw that blurry pic of classic Megatron.I said nothing because a blurry pic really isn't much to go on.

Now the rumored Starscream concept pic that was posted,I gave an opinion on that as it's right in my face   I did detest it BTW and REALLY hope that's not accurate

And for the record,I see your viewpoint.I just can't comprehend forming a strong opinion on rumors.But like I said it's my personality trait to not judge to quickly

 

Why wouldnt't fans of giant robots go to see a cool scifi movie with giant robots? Did you not see WAr of the Worlds because they werent Transformers?

 

No, I waited for the DVD to watch War of the Worlds and that only many months after the release.

No, I don't go see a lot of movies in the theatre anymore. Hollywood regurgitates a lot of old stuff (this Transformers movie being an excellent example). Sure, I am happy with the regurgitation this time. But I get annoyed when Dukes of Hazzard, Miami Vice, Superman, Spiderman, etc get regurgitated.

Hollywood also has a penchance for the same type of movie being created. They use the same type of characters. They use the same plots and plot devices. Its not quite Bollywood bad. In Bollywood, the movies are almost exactly the same - boy meets girl, dance scene, something happens to test their love, dance scene, they overcome their obstacle, dance scene, and everyone lives happily ever after.

Where are all the original ideas? Has humanity ran out of all original ideas?

 

Would people? Yeah, because it'll be heavily marketed.

Would I? No, because, as a movie, everything we've got so far sounds like tosh.

Would people actually remember it/see it again/buy it on DVD? No, for the same reason. Going by the impression we have of it at the moment, it'll be one of those naff blockbusters that gets crap reviews and becomes a bit of a joke. Like Godzilla.

 

Hollywood wants money. That's all. I spent years studying the Hollywood culture at school and, in all of the stuff I've seen, in all of the interchanges in that town, in that culture and in the course of movie-making, the whole idea is "let's get lots of money."

Unoriginal ideas are currently the big thing in Hollywood. Similar to many other generalized Hollywood film trends, they are hit-and-miss; 80's cashed in on the "wacky teen comedy," for many movies, the early 90's saw the revitalization of the "mass disaster" films, the late 90's and 00's have been about remakes.

However, claiming that Hollywood is "out of original ideas" is a pretty vague broad generalization. What about films like Rushmore? The Big Lebowski? The Pixar 3D cartoons? Sahara? Lost in Translation? Being John Malkovitch?

Remember that, since Hollywood is setting out to make money, they will follow a "blockbuster formula" into the dirt before risking losing money. Right now, the blockbuster formula is remakes. And more times than not, that's where the money is.

...HOWEVER, many Hollywood studios have a pretty open-door policy about script submission. If YOU think you have an excellent idea that will BOTH be a Blockbuster AND be original, by all means - prove us wrong! Even if your movie doesn't get produced, if it's reviewed and accepted by a scripting team, you can get paid between $20,000 and $40,000 a year just for submitting an approved script.

 

I sure as heck would- that is, if it looked cool. But then there would be those who compared it to TF's. Since comparing everything to G1 is bad, then I guess comparing generic movie to TF's would be just as bad.

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