88MPH Cancels Refund Request...2 years 3 months later!?

Wow. I thought this stuff was all over and taken care of. Guess not. Glad i never got involved in this whole thing.

I sincerely hope you all get this sorted out.

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So how many copies of this Genesis book are floating around out there? Somehow, my wife was able to secure this book for me several years ago.

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Unknown. I remember back in Nov-Dec of 2003 hearing word that the book was shipping, and that it had showed up on Amazon.com and in comic book shops for around $20-$25, much LESS than he had requested from us for Pre-payment. (not to mention that the original plans for the book were split in 1/2, with the original box art images cut from the book to be placed in a 'follow up volume 2' to be produced much later. Just like the refunds, the volume 2 never happened.) There was never an offer to refund the difference, but I didn't care at the time. I just wanted the book. But by the end of Feb 2004, I just wanted (and still want) my money back.

What. The. Fuck.

This is beyond retarded. Really. Instead of skirting round it, just say "NO REFUNDS" and strap on a bullet proof vest. This is a scab on the fandom that won't heal until Clavet comes out and simply says "This is over, I cant pay you back, sorry.".

What a joke.

Don't bother with the lawsuit. I tried to get one organized years ago. Nobody was interested or sent me any of the details of their case. So I dropped it. I tried to take care of things for myself, and 6 months later I got my refund.

I actually got a refund from 88MPH about a year after my Paypal order. I later found the Genesis book on eBay. I feel for anyone who hasn't gotten their cash back. It sucks.

Frankly, this should not mean "don't bother," but simply that louder voices and more dedicated effort will be required. Those who have paid money for this have been stolen from, and they need to keep at it until justice is done.

I never heard of your lawsuit attempt, otherwise I'd have joined in. What did you do to get your refund? Do you have any direct contact information? I'd kill (or maim) for a direct phone number.

You know, reading this dispute, I started thinking about the number of shisters that have appeared in the TF fandom who have claimed, at the time being, that they were common-minded fans and later turned out to be there for the purpose of making a swift buck.

It's kinda interesting, from a "boy, people really do fucking suck" perspective, to think that so many people see a way to quickly make some cash off of a group of fans. That there are people with morals and pursuits so base that they don't really care about the end product or any sort of customer service beyond the initial sale impresses me - and that they continue to show up in this fandom, preying on our interests, is odder still.

I haven't seen much of this in the Star Trek fandom, although I'll admit it does exist. Here, though...yikes. I won't name names, but even in the last year and a half (since I completely joined the fandom by signing on here,) I've seen some pretty malicious attempts by so-called "like-minded fans," who are pushing a grandiose Transformers product, to take the money and run.

Sometimes they get away with it - they swindle the innocent - and sometimes they don't. Still, it's a real shame that it keeps happening. It'd be nice to see the fans really, truly organize against some of these low-key shisters and show them what happens when you screw with a fan base.

At the very least, I don't see why people who've gotten this "cancelled refund request" note from PayPal can't turn right back around and re-request their refund. If only to say "Hey! You can't do that without giving us legitimate reason why you're cancelling!"