My view is this: If they're going to include human characters, stop turning them into Autobot bait for the Decepticon's. Seriously, have we ever had a human character that DIDN'T set a trap in motion, or required an Autobot to risk their spark to save a human idiot? I feel that, in the TV series, Human's are always portrayed as walking calamities.

I'd be happy with a new TV series that either had NO HUMANS, or used smarter human at a minimum. (for example - STOP Showing the kids of the series jumping into a battle field they've been told to avoid. They ALWAYS give the Decepticon's a weakness to exploit.)

 

I don't care if there are humans but they just need to be done well and serve a purpose. I sort of prefer no humans though. One of the best things about Beast Wars was that we got to know the Transformers because that's all we had. Forcing in humans (especially kids) is just more characters the writers have to deal with and this can affect the time we have with the Autobots unless the human screentime is extremely limited. The best human that I remember enough about is Fowler. I really wish that he was the sole human character who regularly interacts with the Autobots in Prime. He makes calls, isn't constantly annoying, and can even sort of provide air support. His reasons for being there also makes sense.

 

One aspect that having humans around that is sometimes necessary for stotytelling is that in some continuity's the only thing that makes the autobots the 'good guys' and decepticons the 'villains' is that the Autobots are willing to stick their necks on the line to protect humans like us, other than that they are often just two robot armies trying to kill each other.

Even comics like mtmte which had no humans had a surrogate kiddy's naive character like tailgate, who acted as the viewers window into their alien world and society.

One stumbling block I find that the writers seem to constantly struggle with when humans and our society is involved is that transformers is kids TV show so has to be appropriate for the demographic and two factions of warring aliens on earth would no doubt touch upon loads of politically complicated and murky stuff in human society which seems to be skirted around and avoided so sometimes the stories feel a little annoyingly and conveniently kept under wraps. I mean the Decepticons wouldn't just repeatedly attack wastelands, would they?.

Wishing for no humans is tempting given how many badly wrote or annoying ones we have had over the years but I think they are needed for both a sense of physical and emotional perspective.

 

Humans work better as an audience surrogate. Most people can better relate to a generic human character than you can as an nearly immortal robot engaged in a millennium long civil war. (Unless your parents are divorced, I suppose  )

 

I never understood those kids.

It's like wanting to be best friends with a Power Ranger instead of being a Power Ranger yourself.

FUCK being best friends and give me the goddamn Megazord keys!

 

If Beast Wars can pull it off then I don't see why not. I'm getting the feeling that the 2015 series won't have humans anyway. No reason for them.

 

I get where you're coming from, but a lot of kids don't really view themselves as all that powerful, either in physical terms or personality. Even as a kickass robot, they'd probably view themselves more as a sparkling than as a warrior. Being Optimus Prime might be a neat dream, but knowing and adventuring with him removes all those pesky self doubts and fears that might come with it. You might be afraid of Megatron coming to do fight, but why should you be afraid is Optimus is there to help you?

 

For the vast majority of human existence, kids did not need to be pandered to as audience members. The consumed the same fairy tales, folk tales, and animal fables as everybody else, and most of the time they did not involve little children as protagonists (talking chickens, maybe, but very, very few children). Obviously, there are some old tales that focus on kids (Hansel & Gretel/Little Red Riding Hood, but we wouldn't dream of letting modern kids anywhere near those stories in their earliest forms lest they fracture their delicate psychology). Maybe one of the reasons why modern youth seem so entitled and immature is that we've been coddling them too long with safely "juvenile" literature instead of telling them stories about how bad and harsh a place the world can actually be.

 

But how long is "too long" in this instance? Until fairly recently, "childhood" wasn't even a concept beyond being before the point where you could reproduce. It wasn't thay they didn't need consideration, they were just straight up not given it because no one considered there might not be things a less mature, more vulnerable mind can't handle.

Those old fairytales existed to help teach the young how to act, but they were rife with terrible lessons too. Heck, "Hansel and Gretel" all but states kids can't even rely on their parents for protection, that they're essentially on their own in the world. And that is a terrible lesson for a kid to take to heart. But its one that's there and nobody at the time ever considered that to be a bad thing because it taught "self reliance."

I think the sense of entitlement comes less from coddling kids and protecting them from lessons too harsh to learn right now and more from simply spoiling them. Allowing them to give into those baser instincts that they are alone in the world and that nobody or nothing else matters because that's precisely what the other guy is thinking too. We already have too many people with such a jaded and narcissistic worldview. And eventually the kid audience are meant to see themselves less as "Spike" or "Bumblebee," and more as "Optimus Prime," though that transition is more for the parents and interaction with other humans to help make.

 

Ive been hoping for a prequal - like the War Within - factions - pre leaving cyberton type thing but it wont happen.

if its based on cybertron unless they kit the kids out in Daniels Exosuit they wont have humans.