Who made the Quintessons?

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  1. Solrac333

    Solrac333 G1 got it right!

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  2. Aernaroth

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    ooh, ooh, I got it! The Quinteparents! Get it? GET IT?!
     
  3. TFW10

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    I have to agree, I'm not crazy about them either
     
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    I used to feel that way too, but my opinion has shifted over the past couple decades, and now I think it's the BEST of their origin stories. The heavy-handed religious/mythological origin with Primus is now the one I am sick to death of. Sooooooooo tired of Primus-Unicron-Primus-Unicron-Primus-Unicron endlessly.

    But yeah, the OP's scenario isn't bad. I like it.
     
  5. Murasame

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    Interesting ideas!


    :lol 
     
  6. ginrai

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    Or the Daleks. Or the Cybermen. Also the Borg. And likely loads of other things too...

    Regardless I'd say it's far more likely the Quintesons simply evolved.. The fact they are techno-organic, and initially subscribed to the ideas of trying to create other techno-organic helpers (Dweller in the deeps), and seem to spend a lot of their time making robotic versions of organic things, such as Plant-o-bots, and Squid-o-bots and fish-o-bots.. before eventually settling on Humanoid-o-bots. They are obviously a very very technologically advanced species, considering they can terraform planets and build large ring-worlds (theres no way Quintessa had all those big platforms around it to begin with..)

    If anything, considering their star-shaped energy beam they float on.. and their tentacles.. and obsession with sea life.. and their rebellious help.. The Quintessons remind me a lot of the Old Ones from Lovecraft's "At the Mountains of Madness".. in this case the Transformers would then be synonymous with Shoggoths.. It also means that the Quintessons are basically the Engineers from Prometheus!
     
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    Well, the Borg themselves are pretty much Cybermen knock-offs to begin with, but yeah.
     
  8. ginrai

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    Right, but I was just including them for sake of completion.. and cultural touchstone.. since it wasn't *That* long ago that you could make a Doctor Who reference and have most Americans look at you funny since they had no idea what you were talking about...

    I'm sure there are others.. But for all intents and purposes the Transformers is the story of what happens when the Cylons rebelled from the Cybermen and then started a civil war of their own.
     
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    Do I have to remind you that "the one" created Unicron, splited him into two in order to create Primus.

    Why the one created Unicron was to explore the new void that is the prime universe of all the multiverse.

    The Quintessons did discover Cybertron, nothing about their origin. All I can say with the info that exist is that they comes from a planet, like us. But they have more knowlage then the human race, we are young compare with them, if they made the first robot slaves.

    If we count the time for the last war in G1. The war at the golden age started 9 milion years before they did wake up in the mountain in the episode more than meets the eye.

    And that the warrior class did revolt in an other war before that, and the revolt against the Quintessons. We might say that the Quintessons might be over 15 mil years old.
     
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    The Quints were fantastic would be great creepy bad guys with the new movie look.
     
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    That's a really cute idea and pretty interesting too. But I think you're thinking WAY too much into it.

    I mean...season 3 really was piss poor in continuity -even within the same episode-, using multiple episodes to support a theory stretches it a bit, y'know?

    I mean, I give you credit for the idea, it's original. It's just the source material is specious at best.


    I HATE religious Primus, myself. I hate the Quint origin worse though. I go with a non-religious Primus origin, myself. Primus as just a powerful elder being who somehow made, in some fashion, the original TFs. Perhaps fiddling with the naturally evolving beings. Perhaps his 'blood' was energon's original source. It's immaterial really.

    But I got to wonder: As someone else who hates a religious Primus origin, how would you feel about a non-religious kind in the vein or something close to the style listed above?
     
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    Umm, excuse me, but when was that ever made "KNOWN" in the fiction???

    sure, the animation seems to suggest that, but a suggestion is a far cry from a known fact.

    and its my understanding that its an animation error, that the studio thought the design of the matrix was shuttle craft.

    why are you assuming that bearer was a Quint and not a very primitive Autobot?
     
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    Perhaps a theory could be that the All-Spark or an All-Spark like 'thing' gave life to various planets as it traveled through space.

    I don't agree with Quintessons creating Cybertronians as being the official explanation BUT I could certainly dig that they introduced a rogue element that helped to create the Decepticons.
     
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    If it is on screen it is canon.

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    The Call of the Primitives explains Unicron's origins. The Caller being directly related to Unicron and the Matrix's appearance fills plot holes why Unicron is afraid of the Matrix.

    Source? In any case much like in Beast Wars and dialogue and visual presentation affects the audience perception.

    When Rhinox said they were losing Optimus Prime and his Spark is joining the Matrix we see his spark inside it.

    Subsequently we see Primals growth and transformation that bears similarity to Hot Rod becoming Rodimus Prime.

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    Again visual shows it is a Quintesson face.

    In the cartoon continuity the Quintessons were the creators of the Cybertronians along with Vector Sigma.

    The Quintessons created the robotic bodies while Vector Sigma gave them life.

    There is also correlation with objects that can interface with Vector Sigma. Alpha Trion a first generation production model shares the same circuitry as the Key to Vector Sigma. The Matrix can also be used as a Key to Vector Sigma in Rebirth. Alpha Trion while not being a Prime his spirit resides also inside the Matrix in The Return of Optimus Prime. Suggesting the Matrix and Vector Sigma are related.
     
  16. afmultiverse

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    by that logic Soundwave was an autobot in "MTMTE"
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    or Bruticus can exist independent of his 5 compassionate parts in "5 faces of darkness"

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    and there was 2 Optimus Primes in "Atlantis arise"
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    or 2 Starsreams in "Traitor"
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    sorry, but in a series filled with so many animation errors, you cant just take one animated shot and assume such a story element.

    other then the image, nothing in the episode comes near suggesting what you claim.

    your reaching a bit far.

    it was something I read here on a different topic some time ago.

    theres also this info about it at tf wiki

    NOTE:The cast notes for Call of the Primitives explain that the Oracle is the life force of one of Primacron's Primitives, thereby explaining his unusual, ape-like appearance and bodiless nature. What is infinitely more enigmatic about the character, however, is the scene in which we are shown his essence leaving his body—an essence that is visually identical to the Matrix of Leadership. What this means has never been clarified in English fiction. Whether or not it was intended by the writer is unknown, but seems unlikely, given that said writer could not care less about the franchise. Likewise, whether it was something added by someone else, or even if it was just an unintended animation mistake is, at this point, never likely to be known.

    well I'll give you that, but audience perception or even your perception doesn't equate to canon, in story facts or events.

    what does any of this have to do with what we are talking about?

    Again, your perception doesn't equate to canon, in story facts or events.

    You see a Quint face because thats what you want to see.I see a primitive representation of an early transformer.

    Does anything stated in the episodie even come close to suggesting what you claim?

    In the cartoon continuity the Quintessons were the creators of the Cybertronians along with Vector Sigma.

    none of which suggest the face in question was that of a Quint.

    you are taking a bunch of random strings and trying to tie them together in to rope.

    thats fine for your personal continuity, but you can not claim its a canon fact.
     
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    A monkey building a world destroying world that turns into a viking demon that terrorizes all the TF's is all I need to know.
     
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    The Borg attacked Bikini Bottom and assimilated Squidward.

    Next thing you know: Quintessons.
     
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    so they can function better out of water ? makes sense.