So, I've begun to watch Beast Wars...

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  1. Slyest Fox

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    He is? I feel like we barely saw his face, between masks, and weird non-humanoid bodies and things like that. He also missed a lot of episodes. I get that he like... owns Cybertron, but I find Megatron of Beast Machines significantly less memorable.
     
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    I love BM Megatron's eyes. They are combined purple, red, and I believe some yellow in there as well. They are just so glorious to look at every time Megatron appears. So pretty.

    Yeah, we really don't get to see his face too much. I paused it during his transforming scene to see what was behind his mask. I like that it is his Transmetal face except greyer.

    So how do you like the portrayal of Megatron in this series so far, especially after Weak Component?
     
  3. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

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    I think that's the point. The self-created indignities he suffered by living on a mechanical world with an organic body drove him mad. He was no longer the "cheerful" self-obsessed villain he was. He was a deranged, sheltered psychopath driven mad by solitude. That's why he mask had that Hannibel-style mouth cage and why his
    Grand-Mal
    more closey resembled that instead of his real face. I always saw it as Megatron having a low-key identity crisis.
     
  4. Slyest Fox

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    I mean, the body Megatron has in Season 1 is Beast Machines is just his dragon form from the end of Beast Wars, hidden behind the weird suit. So, his face being grey makes sense because though the face didn't change much from Transmetal to Dragon Form one change was that his face became a silvery color rather than purple.

    But yeah, that's not supposed to be a new form of Megatron, it's the exact same body he had before, though it can be difficult to tell.
     
  5. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

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    Not technically. The actual face model has been retextured and the dragon mode has a patchwork look, evidence of past attempts at removing it.
     
  6. Dinobot747

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    I really like this Megatron. I can tell he honestly believes he is doing the right thing. I love "misguided hero"-type characters.
     
  7. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    Plus he is the only Megatron who actually succeeded in conquering Cybertron and honestly I thought David Kaye's deeper voice used was chilling.
     
  8. Metroplex79

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    He is not mis-guided....he IS ***stomps fist onto table*** doing the right thing.

    ;) 
     
  9. Dinobot747

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    I have a feeling the Maximals would beg to differ :lol 
     
  10. Slyest Fox

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    Sorry, I don't buy any of this. The Megatron from Beast Wars was misguided and had a point of view I could understand. He felt that Predacons were being treated as second-class citizens (he even considered them slaves to the Maximals) and so he was just trying to restore his people to power (sure, with himself in command, but he still wanted a better life for Predacon kind)

    But I can't get behind Megatron's goal for Cybertron in Beast Machines at all, and think it's stupid, out of character, and just ridiculous. What's he looking for? A world where he's the only person alive and so he just sits there by himself in silence? That's stupid. Megatron was ruined in Beast Machines, and not just because he wasn't funny anymore. I can't believe anyone would ever think Megatron's plan was a good idea, and I don't know how he could stand it. Megatron's a guy who lives for everyone knowing how brilliant and clever and outstanding he is, he loves nothing more than to see the look on his enemy's face when they know they've been beaten. Megatron would get nothing out of a world where he was all by himself.

    His goal in Beast Machines was stupid. Beast Machines is stupid.
     
  11. Metroplex79

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    I'm not going to talk about the flashbacks' ep, because "Chopperface"747 didn't get off his dino-butt to continue watching the eps. :lol 

    But I honestly believe Megatron is a lot older than he was in Beast Wars, plus one or more incidents has caused him to be the way he is.

    But if you want a different point of view, perhaps in his mind, no one can be trusted.

    -Dinobot...twice-ep 1, although I believe he didn't think Dinobot would defect to the Maximals. "Maximal, No More", if he had killed Rattrap, Dinobot would have been a Predacon again
    -Terrasaur...made a bid for leadership twice
    -Tarantulas...you should know about
    -Waspinator...I'm sure Megs knew beneath that dimwittedness, Waspinator has planz
    -Rampage...from the getgo
    -Blackarachnia...mostly due to Tarantualas being the one who programmed her
    -Dinobot 2...his creation, his powerful warrior, at the last moment before victory, decided to disobey him.

    When you are surrounded by traitors all the time, one tends not to want to be around people.

    Also, he doesn't care about talking to anyone, he's been talking to himself a lot, probably for most of his life because he has a pension for intelligent conversation.

    At least this way, he can have full control over anyone and everyone.

    Also noted that after, even Megatron's plan changed. Not going to discuss until lizard-lips finishes the series.
     
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    Let's look at it like this.

    His chance of changing time and allowing the Decepticons to win the war failed. The Tripredicus Council had a hit bot on him to kill him and the others, until showing Ravage his leader's message. He dealt with several of his own rank that wanted to kill him and take over. Now here is he, captured and returning to Cybertron and will probably be locked up or killed after seeing the Maximal's High Council.

    He escaped and figure if he couldn't win over the Predacons, he'll just take Cybertron by himself. So releash a virus and create a army that wouldn't betray him and go out for conquest of Cybertron.
     
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    I remember I said to myself "I am never going to buy a BW figure, NEVER". Then one day I had an epiphany and thought "I'm going to buy Optimus Primal", literally out of thin air....Then I bought the DVD series and I loved it. I enjoyed watching this just as much as the the Japanese G1 series. End of my little story lol.
     
  14. Dinobot747

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    OK, I've gotten off my "dino-butt" and watched BM Episode 7. Hm... so Thrust is Silverbolt. And I remember Rattrap saying something like "C'mon Rhinox...I know your in there!" from watching a BM clip a long time ago. So I assume Thrust is Tigerhawk, since he's the only other missing Maximal.

    I do feel bad for Blackarachnia though. She almost got Silverbolt back, then Rattrap came in and screwed it all up.

    And holy crap do I hate Cheetor. First he keeps getting after Nightscream for saying Primal's not fit to lead, and what does he do at the end? "Yeah, I think I'll be leader now." :banghead: 
     
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    Yeah, he ticked me off as well (especially in those episodes), but later on I found myself seeing it as an example of humanity. Cheetor wasn't perfect by any means, but he grew up & evolved throughout the series in more ways than CGI design, and in order to do that, he needed to fuck up a couple times while in command. He knew what needed to be done, but not necessarily how to best do it, and that's pretty common among new leaders in any capacity.

    So do I fault Cheetor for it? Yeah I do, but at the same time I also applaud the writing behind it for doing something with his character that literally spanned across 2 television shows.
     
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    Not anymore. Spending hundreds of years an outcast will change a person like that. Megatr has always be insane. This is the guy who thought destroying the timestream was a good idea.

    This is also a perfectly acceptable explanation. He's not concerned with theatrics anymore, he just wants to win. So he did.
     
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    Agreed, season 1 is the weakest, but that is usually the case with any series. You're probably quite a ways more into the series, but the series is ridiculous good and I'm mainly a G1er. Beast Machines is also good, but wasn't the end I hoped for.
     
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    For me Beast Wars felt like a micro soap most of the time, but I do recall several Dinobot focused episodes that were fairly epic.
     
  19. Metroplex79

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    :lol 
    I had a feeling a little beastly name calling would provoke you....in a good way.

    There's a part of you that feels that the Maximals have suffered enough, the old gang should get back together, this would be a great time for it, right?

    As for Cheetor, it's like watching a child idolizing a parent or hero. When that person no longer can do the things that they were great at, you start defending them, and hope they can get...for a lack of a better term, their spark back to be the person/hero you want them to be. In this case, Optimus has been Cheetor's hero for so long that it's hard to accept he's faultering. As a viewer, how many times has Optimus been "that guy"? Now he's falling to pieces (and for good reason), and not "being himself", you're hoping he'd shake it off, but someone has to uphold the team in the meantime. Who else can do it?

    Nightscream? A rookie with no history with the team? Please. :rolleyes: 
    Blackarchnia? Not a leadership personality.
    Rattrap? He just learned to "trans-morph-form", and not an intimidating figure either.
    Rhinox could, but he ain't around, and Silverbolt was never leadership material either, even if he was here.

    So, the only "true" warrior left has to take leadership, I'm fairly positive, in Cheetor's mind, he knows he's not ready, but he has to. He's shown since Beast Wars, he's had some big chrome bearings :p , now he has to show that he's more than just a "kid".

    I felt that about Rattrap's episodes. Like "Double Jeopardy" and "A Better Mousetrap".
     
  20. Dinobot747

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    Thread resuscitation!

    Just watched Episode 8. OK, so I was remembering correctly. Tankor is Rhinox. Starting next episode now.