Haha! Yeah... poor toon Shockwave. What a chump. Or if you take the Marvel version, he was sitting inactive at the bottom of a tar pit for millions of years. And yeah, it really seems like Kup has been around. Who knows... maybe he was leading an expedition to find The Ark and his ol' mentor Ironhide all those years? Might explain why he's so well-travelled. That might be why the other Cybertron Autobots give Kup some cred too... because he can tell stories about actually being there when The Ark left, or having fought alongside the Optimus Prime and his hand-picked squad "back in the day". zmog
to be fair, Kup didn't take that 4 million year nap like the Ark crew did, so he got to see a lot of the galaxy while Ironhide was waiting to be found again.
WHAT! Ironhide is OLDER than Kup?!! It must be all that beauty nap that keeps Ironhide looking so youthful (he must look about 35, BTW!) while Kup's face is very worn-out with bags under eyes and extra angles about his cheeks. And, that's also proof that Transformers AGE over time as well as feeling pain and even dying. Perhaps they're not 100% machines, correct?
Well that WAS the view that Beast Machines took on Transformers, but every time I mention that I always fear a mob will come around the corner and chase me down with torches and pitchforks...
lol That video cracks me up. "That will teach you to call me an asshole!" - Starscream On topic: SMOG, I like your rationalization/explanation on the Kup & Ironhide age thing. Makes sense.
Interesting theory Smog. You should write a short fanfic about it. I'd say Kup's older. He looks older, sounds older. Ironhide just complains a lot. If Ironhide is Dion from War Dawn then he really can't be too much older than Optimus himself. Kup probably fought alongside Sentinel Prime. In IDW continuity, Kup is definately older as seen in his Spotlight. In other continuities, it's debatable.